MINUTES OF = THE THREE HUNDRED AND TWELFTH PLENARY SESSION

OF THE UNIV= ERSITY FACULTY SENATE

OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK

May 10, 200= 5

The meeting w= as called to order by UFS Chair O’Malley at 6:35 p.m. in Room 9206/07 at= the Graduate School and University Center. 84 voting members were prese= nt.

Baruch: Present –Hill, and Pollard. Absent – Freedman, Goldstein, Martell, Myer= s, Smith, Vora, and Whittaker. BMCC: Present – Agwu, Friedman, Martin, Price, R= ani, Roy, and Alternate Creaco. Absent – Belknap. Bronx CC: Present – none. Absent – Alozie, Asimakopoulos, Durante, and Skinner. Brooklyn: Present – <= st1:City w:st=3D"on">Bell, B= loomfield, Jacobson, Morawski, Rodman, Shapiro, and Tobey.= Absent – Antoniello, Cunningham, Viscusi, and Wills. CCNY: Pr= esent – Crain, Leonard, and Sank. Absent – Daglish. Vacancies – 5.&= nbsp; CSI: Present &#= 8211; Cooper, Klibaner, Levine, = Petratos, Yousef, Alternate Monte. Ab= sent – Farkouh. CUNY Law<= /st1:PlaceName> School: Present – McArdle. Absent = 211; Andrews. Vacancy – 1. Graduate = School: Present – Baumrin, and Nolan. Absent –Lerner, Orenstein, and Tobin. Hostos CC: Present – August, Roe, and Alternate Czarnocha. Absent – Singh. Vacancies - = 1. Hunter: Present – Kay= e, Matthews, and McCormick. Absent – Doyle, Finder, Friedman, Guzzetta, Krishnamachari, Sherrill, and Wimberly. Vac= ancies – 1. John Jay= : Present – Brugnola, Caldwell, Kaplowitz, Kubic, Romero, and Alternates Carpi, and Soto-Fernandez. Absent – Kuc= harski. Kingsborough CC: Present &#= 8211; Barnhart, Farrell, Galvin, Hume, O’Malley, and R= uoff. LaGuardia CC: Present ̵= 1; Beaky, Davidson, Lerman, M= ettler, Rushing, Shean, and Alternates Forrester and Green-Anderson. Lehman: Present – Aronowitz, Jervis, Philipp, and Wilder. Absent – Josay, and Mineka. Medgar Evers: Present – Barker, Donohue, Hastick and Alternate Stewart. = Absent -- Daly. NYCCT: Present – Cermele<= /span>, Dreyer, Horelick, Hounion<= /span>, Karthikeyan, Richardson, and Alternate Pinto. Queen= s: Present – Bird, Brody, Casco, Moore, and Savage. Absent –Habib, and Tse. Vacancies – 4. Queensborough CC: Present – Barbanel, Hest, Ja= cobowitz, Pecorino, and Alternates Burleson and Dahbany-Miraglia= . Absent –= Weiss. Vacancies R= 11; 1. York: Present – Divale, Frank, Lewis, and Alternate Macarle. Ab= sent – Wolosin.

Chancellor Goldstein atte= nded with Vice Chancellor Schaffer. Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin, Vice Chancellor Malave, Dean Fields, University Director Barry, and D= eputy University Director McKee attended. Others attending were Syd Lefkoe, Greg Matloff, Concetta Mennella, Gerald Schumann, and Margie White.

Governance Leaders present: Baumrin (GSUC), Coo= per (CSI), Dreyer (NYCTC), Feinerman (Lehman), Kaplowitz (John Jay), Leonhard (CCNY), Levine (CSI), Mettler (LaGuardia), Peco= rino (QCC), Savage (Queens), Tobey (Brooklyn)= , and Tronto (Hunter). Parliamentar= ian Andrea McArdle, Administrative Assistant Pasela, and Secretary Blanchard were also present.&nb= sp;

I. = Approval of the Agenda: The agenda= was adopted after removing item VI. A. Professor Sohmer was not present to receive the resolution. It was deferred to the fall.

II. Approval of the Minutes of April 5, 2005: The Minutes were adopted as distributed.

III. Reports: (Recorded in Reports & Deliberations)

A. Chair (oral & written)

B. Chancellor Goldstein.

IV. Nominations and Election of 5 Members-at-Large of the Executive Committee:
Professor Sally Mettler (LaGuardia CC), Chaired= the UFS Elections Committee. The following Senators nominated and ballots cast are reported next to their na= me:
Stefan Baumrin (53), Thomas Bird (46), Sandi Cooper (53), Anne Friedman (49= ), Eda Harris-Hastick (43), = Manfred Philipp (58), and Bill Crain (33).

Senators Philipp, Baumrin, Cooper, Friedman, and Bird = were elected.

V. Reports (continued):(Recorded in Reports & Deliberations)

A. Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin and Special Counsel to the Chancellor Dave Fields, on security and campus demonstrations, 7:30 p.m.

VI. New Business:

A. Survey of the UCRA Task Force, Sen= ator Divale (= York). This report was cancelled due to t= ime constraints. The written repo= rt of the UCRA Task Force is available in the UFS Office.

&nbs= p; B. UCRA Needs Faculty to Distribute G= rants, Senator Richardson (NYCTC). (Recorded in Reports & Deliberations)

&nbs= p; There being no further business the meeting was adjourned at 9:00 p.m.

Respectfully submitted,

Stasia Pasela, Administrat= ive Assistant

Reports and Deliberations
of the 312^th Plenary Session of The University Faculty Senate
of The City University of New York

May 10, 2005

III. Reports:

B. Chancellor Goldstei= n – Good Evening.= If I don’t get = to say it before my remarks are completed, I hope all of you have a good and restf= ul productive summer. I hope that you all get to your Commencements because we’re graduating over 23,000 students this year and I’ll be at = six of those Commencements, even Stuyvesant High School where I’m giving a Commencement address, which is very precious for me.

Let me just talk a little about the budget, very briefly because I’m sure that you’ve been briefed because we’ve been sending out a lot of material on the budget. Let me start = with the very good news. We have secured over $2 billion for capital construction and design of new facilities and refurbishing existing facilities. We have a strategy that I think I shared with you on several occasions; it was a very aggressive strategy and it all worked between what the Governor proposed, w= hat the Legislature added, and what the City did for the first time in 12, maybe 11, years. The City for the first time matched dollar for dollar what was already in the pipeline that was recommended by the State Legislature and a= dded a considerable amount of money. This would be the largest infusion in the history of this University of capital money and certainly the largest infus= ion of capital money for the community colleges, which the last dozen or so yea= rs has just been disgraceful. I spoke to President Carolyn Williams, who is President of Bronx Community College, and she indicated to me that there has not been one bit of construction in the 34-year history of BCC; when you th= ink about that that is really disgraceful. Bronx Community Col= lege is going to look like a very different place in four years when all of the construction will take place. We have the money for Fiterman Hall finally, = and that is a great celebratory event. Medgar Evers is going to be fully built, there is a lot of money for Kingsborough, LaGuardia Community= College; it’s going to be spread around in a way. At the end of the day we’re going to be expending about $516-517 million just on our commun= ity colleges alone, which is really going to be quite a spectacular event for t= his university, so for all of us that were involved in this, and the effort was faculty, this body, PSC, Board members, members of the Chancellery, Preside= nts, students, everybody was on board with this and everybody took the lead stay= ing on page here and we got it done, so good for all of us.

On the operating side the news is not as good but we’re going to start the fiscal year, I am determined to at least, on July 1 with no deficiency in our operating budget. We are looking at a deficiency now. The numbers change a bit because as time moves forward the numbers are going up but we’re going to come in with a financial plan that I’ve directed our Senior Vice Chancellor and Vice Chancellor Mal= ave to be working on with this body, with Presidents, with students, whatever constituencies would be appropriate to inform a plan. I will review that pl= an, moderate it if I feel it needs some tweaking, and enact it with Board Appro= val in the June Board meeting, so that we don’t have to faced what all of= you face this year, at least on the senior college side, where we directed the Presidents that their spending authority had to be within 98% of the appropriated amount of money. And I don’t want to go into all of the = gory details why this happened, but it did happen. We were not successful in get= ting certain things done. As always, at the end game there is always a little firefight between the various players that determines the kinds of resources that we’re going to get. But we’re going to get through this; i= t will start the fiscal year. When I= look at the Master Plan--which is a good document, it’s a good roadmap for prospective thinking, especially on the academic renewal of the University--there’s no money to fund the Master Plan and it’s a little crazy in the State that we have all of these organizations that go though the process of reviewing the Master Plan and talking about it and finally approving it but nobody funds the Master Plan. So I’ve been thinking about this for some time -- there are some bold and different approaches, I’ve had some serious discussions not only with the Gover= nor but with the leadership and the State Legislature, both on the Assembly and= the Senate side, and we’re going to be moving forward with a plan to real= ly get this Master Plan funded so that the University will look like a differe= nt place as a result of these efforts. I will talk to you about this when we return in September when I will really get into high gear on some of this, = but I’ve already started to talk to the Presidents on two separate occasi= ons about this approach and I would like your guidance and share some of this thinking with you but not for tonight; you have enough ahead of you.

We have a presidential search that is approaching its conclusion; this is for the new President of the Graduate School and University Center. We have four very attractive candidates, it was a very strong pool, and I w= ill be making a recommendation for the June Board Meeting. I spent about an hour privately with one individual; I will be meeting all of the other three by = the end of next week. And then I will wait to hear the campus reports, which is= the process that we use, and I encourage those of you who are connected in some= way with the Graduate School to really participate in those discussions because this is an important appointment and I think with this new President we wil= l be able to move forward on certain things that I think will make the Graduate School even a stronger place than it is today. We are starting the search f= or a new Dean of the Law School. Kristin Gle= n is stepping down after ten years of service. We’ve appointed Mary Lu Bilek, who is now the Associate Dean for Academic Aff= airs, to serve in the capacity of Interim Dean. We have already appointed the sea= rch committee. I believe the faculty have been anoin= ted with that privilege from the Graduate School to participa= te on the committee and I will give the charge with Benno Schmidt, who I think is quite frankly a little better suited for this than I am because he did lead= a great law school. I don’t know much about law schools but I know some= of the things that have to change at the law school and we will get that done = as well.

Why don’t we stop and if you can promise to get me out of here in 15 minutes I will take as many questions as I can, bu= t I must get to another event as soon as possible.

Professor Barbara Moore (Queens College) – I was just wondering about the non-continuance of the grant for spe= cial needs students, and is there any prospect that the State will step in and s= tart to see the most vulnerable students? / Chancellor Goldstein – I’= ;m deeply concerned about this. I have written to every President of a univers= ity in the United States= about this. It’s a whole series of programs that were not recommended= by President Bush. These recommendations are now in the various appropriations committees and I think this is the time when we really need to be heard very strenuous= ly. These are some of our most vulnerable, as you indicate, and I’m hopef= ul that we will get some of this changed. I’m certainly aware of this and certainly very much involved in it. / Chair O’Malley –If you pi= cked up the Chair’s Report, on the bottom of it, number 7, it tells about writing in support of these programs. This is the www.supportcuny.org that VC Jay Hershenson has set up.

Professor Bill Crain (Psychology, City College) – We’ve heard one of your plans is to increase tuition for grad= uate students and for students taking over 15 credits and that’s such a horrible idea. Some of them go out and leave school for a while, they come back, they take extra credits; many graduate students are very poor and can barely get through graduate school. I’ve been thinking about where el= se you could find resources. In the 1950s and early 1960s at City College we had about 18,000 students and one Dean. Now we have more Deans than you = can shake a stick at. We’ve got Vice Presidents all over the place, Deans= all over the place, Associate Deans, Assistant Vice Presidents, Assistant Provo= sts; you get the gist of where I would not cut and where I would. / Chancellor Goldstein – Bill, I ask that you participate in the process of develo= ping a plan. Obviously tuition for graduate students is an area that we will loo= k at but there’s a whole bunch of other things that we will have to consid= er that will be brought to my attention, so I just encourage this body. You ha= ve the appropriate body here that I guess will be through the Fiscal Affairs Committee, and I don’t know if you’re a member of the Budget Advisory Committee. We’re going to have to do this fast because IR= 17;m going to need to see those recommendations within two to three weeks, so we have a fair amount of work that we have to get done.

Professor Manfred Ph= ilipp (Chemistry, Lehman College) – I was going to ask the same question about tuition but there’= s a related question on faculty replenishment. Do you think that the proportion= of full-time faculty in the University will increase, stay constant, or decline under the fiscal stress that we’re under? / Chancellor Goldstein R= 11; I think that we will continue to stay focused on building the full-time fac= ulty and I’ve already given approval for a number of requests and we will continue to do that. I think that if we come forward with the plan that I expect to see we will have the resources to continue our efforts to build t= he faculty. We’ll do the best that we can.

Professor Sandi Cooper (History, College of = Staten Island) – This may be a little off the radar screen but in a number of State Legislatures around the country and now apparently in New York State there has been introduced a version of the Academic Bill of Rights, which is the work of a national group of mostly former faculty, I think. I’m j= ust wondering whether or not the University Central Administration has been contacted at all because I have a friend at another state university where = the President is bearing down on the faculty to support this thing in order to = get the State Legislature to be friendlier to their budget requests. / Chancell= or Goldstein – I have not been contacted at all but I know a little about what is going on elsewhere. I just don’t think it’s going to mo= ve too far, if at all. I don’t think that’s going to move too far = in this direction here in this State. / Professor Cooper – Thank you.

Professor Stefan Baumrin (Philosophy, The Grad= uate School and University Center) – How much of this money is devot= ed to the new science facility at City College and where w= ill we be with it in the next 2-3 years? / Chancellor – I don’t have t= he charts in front of me; in order of magnitude maybe $140 million. At City College there will be two science facilities that will be constructed: One is the advanced research facility, which is a University building; it is not dedic= ated to City <= st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">College; it will be open to resear= chers who are very actively involved in certain areas of science by virtue of gra= nts and other indicators of their work. In addition there will be a classroom science lab building contiguous to that building, and we’re expecting= to build those two facilities at the same time; there will be savings. In fact= I had a teleconferencing meeting with the Dormitory Authority about that yesterday because it may require some change in legislation to enable us to= do that. In addition, those of you who are connected with City College would k= now that we have a very sick building called Marshak, which was up there when I was a student, but that is a building that has had its problems over the past several years and that is going to require a significant infusion of capital dollars in addition to those other two buildings. So I can’t tell you the price that will be estimated for t= hose three things but I would imagine that they would eat up about a quarter of a billion, maybe $200-300 million. / Professor Baumrin – I have another question related to it, which is a little different. At the award ceremony = that the Executive Vice Chancellor was at on Thursday I was sitting next to a professor, a Chair of a science department, and he said he had been on the committee which was supervising the utilization of the new facility and the committee was discharged, let go. / Chancellor – Are you talking about the advanced science facility? / Professor Baumrin – Yes. / Chancellor – That is correct. We are going to be forming a second committee now = that will include scientists from around the University, EO= s and others, and their charge is going to be taking up where this original committee left off because now really the hard work, the nitty-gritty of designing laboratories and the kinds of equipment that are going to be need= ed in this very sophisticated building will have to take place. And that commi= ttee has not been charged or formed yet but I would imagine sometime in the earl= y fall would be an appropriate time. / Professor Baumrin – Wouldn’t it= be reasonable if it was somewhat overlapping in its membership with the old? / Chancellor – It may very well be. I’m just not close enough to = who the people are. With that, it is 7 o’clock and I appreciate this. Hav= e a wonderful summer. Enjoy, get some rest, some renewal, and we’ll keep = on moving forward. / Chair – Thank you very much.

A. Chair O’Malley – Last time I m= ade a terrible mistake, which is that I didn’t say thank you to Judith Walt= er from New York City College of Technology. Judith had been a member for many years, and a very valued member, of the UFS, but she never appeared on any = of the thank you lists. So if anyone is here from the New York City College of Technology…Yes, thank you.

I need to say also that Executive Director Bill Phipps’ mother had a stroke. She’s doing fairly well but Bill f= ound out this morning, and I don’t know if you knew that Bill Phipps was a Texan but he’s off to Da= llas to be with his mother and that’s why he’s not here tonight.

I think it’s important that the campus liaisons come to the mike to introduce the new Senate members. If the new Senate members could stand when you’re being introduced. George Hill, can you introduce people from Baruch? / Pro= fessor George Hill – I don’t believe that any of the new people are he= re. / Chair – That’s terrible. Anne Friedman, BMCC.

Professor Anne Friedman (Borough of Manhattan Community College) – I’= ;m proud to introduce four of the Senators from BMCC. Dr. Anthony Creaco, please stand. Anthony is in the science depar= tment specializing in physics and engineering, particularly in engineering digital design, and we welcome him to the Senate. Next in alphabetical order is Chigurupati Rani. Chigurupati is in our CIS, Computer Information Systems Department. She has served on this body before as an alternate and is now serving as a regular Senator. Her ar= eas of research are data compression techniques and communication networks, net= work security, biometrics and telemedicine, none of which I know anything about = but I’m sure she does that superbly well. Next is another colleague from = the CIS department, Dr. Manawendra Roy, who is an Associate Professor specializing network security, wireless security and digital forensics. He has both teaching and industrial experience and has worked in India, Kenya, Nig= eria, and the United State= s. We welcome them. I don’t know if Laura Weingarten is here. She’s from Modern Languages and she’s an alternate.

Professor Jeanne Galvin (Kingsborough Commun= ity College) – Kingsborough is welcoming two new alternates tonight. Dr. Donald Hume is co-Director of the Program in Physical Education, Recreation and …/ Chair O’Malley – He’s not an alternate; he’s the real thing. / Professor Galvin – I’m sorry. He’s the real deal, that’s wonderful. I would like to welcome you to our delegation. He’s also on the PSC loc= al chapter committee. We also are welcoming an alternate, Lea Fridman, who is = from the English Department who could not make it tonight.

Professor Martha Bell (Brooklyn College) – I’d like to welcome Professor George Rodman who is Chairman of the TV and Radio Department and active member of our Faculty Council and Chairman of our Chairs’ Retreat, which will happen next week. I do not see Jocelyn Wills; she’s from the Department of History. <= /span>

Professor Karen Kaplowitz (The John Jay College= of Criminal Justice) – I’ve very proud to introduce Tom Kubic, who was just elected to a three-year term from= the forensic science department, Raul Romero from our Foreign Languages and Literatures Department, Anthony Carpi from our Forensic Psychology Departme= nt, and we have a new alternate who could not be here tonight. We have a scient= ist and a psychologist and a linguist from John Jay, and Angela Crossman also f= rom Forensic Psychology is an alternate who will be available next year; she’s teaching tonight. Welcome all. Wonderful colleagues.

Professor Judith Barbanel (Queensborough Commu= nity College) – Queensborough has two new Senators. Geoffrey Burleson is an Assistant Professor in the Music Departme= nt. He has his doctorate from Stony Brook in Musical Arts and he is a prominent pianist who performs jazz and chamber music and has a number of recordings.= At the college he’s very interested in curricular changes; he’s be= en very involved in articulation between the community colleges and the senior colleges. Welcome, Geoffrey. Also, I’d like to introduce Susan Jacobowitz. Susan is in our English Department. She h= as a PhD in English and American Literature from Brandeis University= . Her dissertation was on the Holocaust at Home, Representations and Implicat= ions of Second Generation Experience. Susan is an Assistant Professor in English and, for those of you who might be interested, she’s a Gemini and allergic to tomatoes. We also have Dina, who has just been elected as an alternate, but Dina is an old-timer and I guess Dina would like to introduce herself for those of you who don’t know her. She’s from the Spe= ech Department at Queensborough.

Professor Bill Crain (City College) – We have Professor Dalglish, who’s= not here. I’m proud to introduce Professor Phil Leonhard, who’s her= e. Phil is from the Department of Sociology at City College. He’s a veteran activist in faculty governance and very highly respect= ed member of our faculty and he’s currently the Chair of the City College Faculty Senate.

Chair O’Malley – Is Henry Skin= ner here or is anyone from Br= onx Community College h= ere? All right, we’ll move quickly.

Professor Stefan Baumrin (The Graduate School) – I don’t think I have anything to report. Is Professor Margaret King here? Is Professor Martin Burke here? OK, the alternates have been eat= en up by other institutions. Professor Kubic was an alternate but now he’s representing John Jay, as he should, and the o= ther alternate didn’t get notified that she was supposed to be here because she was doing something else, so I have nothing to report.

Professor Jane Mathews (Hunter College) – It’s my great pleasure to welcome tonight my colleague Lynn McCormick from Urban Affairs and Planning. We’ve worked together on t= he Faculty Assembly at Hunter and her fields are economic development and community affairs, so I think that’s going to fit nicely. =

Professor Sally Mettler (LaGuardia Community= College) – I’m happy to announce that due to the growth of our faculty we’ve added a fifth Senator to our delegation and that is Assistant Professor John Shean at the Social Science Department, an ancient historian. / Chair – He doesn’t look that old. / Professor Mettler – In a manner of speakin= g. Dr. Gail Green-Anderson of the English Department has been reelected as an alternate and we have elected two new alternates, Linda Forrester of Academ= ic ESL, whose background is in languages and music, and Laurie Gluck, also of Academic ESL, who’s unable to be here tonight.

Professor Morris Hounion (New York City Colleg= e of Technology) – I just want to first mention that I got a shock at the = last meeting when Susan said I wasn’t a Senator anymore, so I went back to= my campus and I checked and I was reelected last year for a three-year term. Anyway, I’m here. / Chair O’Malley – Oh, I just read the list. I’m so glad. / Professor Hounion– In addition to myself we have one other faculty member from City Tech= who was elected to a three-year term, Laina Karthikeyan. She’s an Assistant Professor in the Science Department and she has a long list of articles and grants. She was principal investigator for PSC Grant and her area is molecular biology concentrating on neuroscience and focusing on a disease called dystonia which is a neurological muscle disorder. We = also have three alternates. One of them is not here tonight, Dennis Bakewicz, but I think all of you know him. In the old day= s at City Tech when our College Council was headed by the President, we don̵= 7;t have that anymore thank goodness, Dennis was the Secretary; he was the main faculty representative of the different organizations, including that he wa= s a faculty governance leader. Dennis is also from the Science Department, and = like Laina he’s a biologist. Then we have Greg= ory Ma= tloff. Gregory is also from= the Science Department, we have a lot of scientists here tonight, and he also h= as a long list of papers and reports. His main focus in on space and mission planning, and he just had a new book published, actually the second edition= of his new book, called Deep Space Probes; just published in April 2005= and he just gave a copy to the library. And then, finally, Marcos Pinto. Marcos= is not a scientist, he’s in the Computer Systems Tech Department, a diff= erent kind of science, and he received his Bachelor’s Degree from Hunter and his Master’s from B= aruch College, and he has= an undergraduate degree in Physics from Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. His area of research included communication networks, knowledge networks, artificial intelligence, and human/computer interaction.

Professor Glenn Lewis (York College) – We have some wonderful additions to our delegation, some really sen= ior people. First we have Beth Rosenthal, who’s a Professor of Social Wor= k at York and the Gr= aduate Center and is also Chair of the = Social Sciences Department at York. She’s done research on social stress and psychosocial outcomes among urban adolescents. She received some long-term NIH funding for her research= and she was recently honored as one of the twelve leading social work researche= rs in the United States= . We also have Bill Divale, who’s another long-time member of our faculty and a Professor of Anthropology. He’s= in the Social Sciences Department as well. He’s Chair of the PSC CUNY Ta= sk Force and he’s also director of York College Research Survey Lab, and I’m probably not doing him justice because I’m missing about ha= lf of his resume. We also have Maria Macarle from = Health and Physical Ed. I didn’t get your information. Would you like to tell people about yourself a little bit? [Maria off mic]. Shirley Frank was on the UFS and dropped= off and now she’s going to come again. Shirley is a PhD and Adjunct Assis= tant Professor for English. Her specialties are Victorian literature and freshman composition. She also teaches at City Tech and she works at the PSC part-ti= me as an adjunct organizer and she sees her mission as helping the UFS to represent 9,500 or so of what she calls invisible faculty at the University= who teach 63% of the CUNY courses.

IV. Nominations and Election of 5 Members-at-Large of the Executive Committee

Chair O’Malley – I think we sh= ould move to the election now that we know everybody. Sally.

Professor Sally Mettler (LaGuardia Community= College) – Picking up where we left off last time, we nominated 6 candidates f= or 5 positions on the Executive Committee. I’ll just remind you who they a= re.

Chair O’Malley – What’s = going to happen is we’re going to elect 5 people for the Executive Committe= e. Karen is eager to say that the new people should know that I am Susan O’Malley, Chair of the University Faculty Senate, and Karen Kaplowitz= is the Vice Chair. Our Secretary is Lenore Beaky and the Treasurer is Martha B= ell. Sally Mettler is Chair of the Election Committee, a very important position. The officers serve for two years, so we’re not up for election; we wi= ll be next year. And the Parliamentarian is Andrea McArdle from the Law School.

Professor Sally Mettler (LaGuardia Community= College) – Since we have such a nice contingent of new people here tonight, it’s good for you all to understand what we’re actually doing. = So what we’re doing tonight is electing 5 members of the Executive Committee. And those of you who were here last time at the April plenary kn= ow that we have nominated 6 candidates, which we were able to do from the floo= r at that time. In the interim, if you’ve received your packet, you have statements from not all but several of those candidates. The candidates who have already been nominated are Stefan Baumrin, The Graduate School, Thomas Bird of Queens College, Sandi Cooper of College of Staten Island, Anne Friedman of BMCC, Eda Harris Hastick of Medgar Evers, and Manfred Philipp of Lehman= College. Alfred Levine of Staten Island is coming out to help us. As you know= , Bill Phipps, our Executive Director is missing tonight, and we are functioning v= ery well under the guiding hand of Stasia Pasela.

You have received when you came in your ballot, which looks like this, but before we proceed to that we want to find out if= we have more nominations coming on the floor. So you see the names of the pres= ent candidates going on the board. These are for one-year terms. Do we have additional nominations from the floor?

Professor Larry Rushing (LaGuardia Community= College) – I’d like to place Professor Bill Crain’s name in nomina= tion for the Executive Committee. / Professor Mettler – Professor Bill Cra= in from City= College has been added. Do we have additional nominations? Do we move that nominations be closed? So moved. All in favor. Nom= inations are now closed. The names of the candidates are being shown on both boards.= Do we have anyone opposed to closing nominations? Last cha= nce to do so.

We now have an opportunity not only to look at t= he candidates but to hear from them and any candidate wishing to speak to the group has the opportunity to do so now for two minutes time at the micropho= ne.

Professor Stefan Baumrin (Philosophy, The Grad= uate School and University Center) – All of you who are old already know me and my rhetorical style, so these words are just addressed to those of you = who are new to the Senate and also those of you, of course, new to the Universi= ty. I’ve been on the Senate since 1973, and I’ve served in all of t= he positions on the Senate except Chair, and also on the Budget Advisory Commi= ttee to the Chancellor and the Legal Affairs Committee and any number of other groups, and I’m the Chair of the Structure Committee of the Graduate School, but I was initially a Senator from Lehman College. I take the job of being a Senator representing you and representing the faculty very seriousl= y. My job is to address the senior administration--I’m older than they a= re, and I’ve been around longer than they have been-- about the tradition= s of our University, its aims, its duties and responsibilities, its function in = the City and the State of New Yor= k and in the national setting. I will take that duty all the way to my grave = as seriously as I can.

Professor Thomas Bird (Queens College) – Although not an ancient historian, I am the grey beard who is the n= ew boy on the block. I have the unique distinction in this very distinguished lineup of candidates to be the one new member of the Senate; I’ve ser= ved for the past year. I won’t bore you with my biography, which is in the updated version of your list of candidates, and I would ask for your suppor= t. Thank you.

Professor Sandi Cooper (History, College of = Staten Island) – I suppose a great deal of what Stefan Baumrin could say I c= ould repeat except my date is 1978 not ’73 and I’ve served on a vari= ety of different committees and I have been the Chair. For those of you who have heard me do this for many years now I apologize for boring you. For those of you who are new, this is a very weird experience. I remember having it; I walked into my first meeting of this body in May of 1978 and I was asked to elect a body of officers whom I had never encountered in my life, and I don’t blame you for wondering why the setup is this way; in all these years I’ve never figured it out. I guess the only thing I would add to the written statement is that since I put this down I have become increasin= gly troubled by the e-mail intimations coming my way from everywhere in this country that seem to threaten academic freedom, and I guess that is my pet issue; it has been since I was an undergraduate at City College and watched= an English professor get handcuffed and removed from class in 1956 for crossing the McCarthy Committee. The other issue that troubles me immensely is the c= entralization of this University, by which I mean the ways in which people who work at Ea= st 80^th Street, where I did spend 4 years, who have not been in classrooms either ever or hardly ever, think they have the ability to assess what a valid academic program is on every level. I have taught both 2-year = and 4-year students and PhD students-- it doesn’t make me a walking exper= t, but I think most of us even after a year of teaching our students have a mu= ch better sense of what’s appropriate for our college than these profile= s of productivity which have been handed down. So were I to be returned to this committee I think I would remain a pain in the neck to those folks.

Professor Anne Friedma= n (Developmental Skills, Borough of Manhattan Community College) – Good evening, returning Senators and new Senators. Why should you elect me? First, I think I’= ;ve done a pretty good job so far. On the Exec I seriously weigh all the issues= and I’m very committed to collective and democratic decision-making. As y= our faculty voting representative on the BOT committee on faculty, staff, and administration, where I sit among Trustees and members of the Chancellery a= nd the Presidents of our colleges, I face issues regarding search waivers, executive compensation plan, appointments, affirmative action, faculty hiri= ng, and I’m not afraid to speak up in that venue. Finally, as liaison to = the Status of the Faculty Committee, it’s been my honor to welcome a wonderful Chair and a wonderful group on many important issues, most recent= ly the issue of extending the tenure clock and academic freedom. Also I think I know the issues pretty well, and when I don’t I’m a quick study= and I’m certainly willing to learn. I know the players; those players are you, my constituency across many campuses, different titles, different disciplines; we all need to work together and learn about each other and promote our collective interests. I certainly know the other players in this power dance, the members of the Trustees, the Chancellery, and other administrators. I know how to work in the political arena, both in the City= and the State, and I think I’ve developed some skill in this. I am not af= raid to speak out and in fact I think that is my obligation as an elected representative of the faculty. I’m an independent and flexible thinke= r; sometimes I have a different take on issues and sometimes I have a different take on strategy and tactics as well, and I think that’s very healthy. Finally, I love what I do. I know this is serious business but I don’t think I ever take myself too, too seriously, nor do I take our collective w= ork too, too seriously. I think there needs to be some time for levity. Otherwi= se I think we can all agree we may go bonkers. I’m passionate, I’m committed, assertive, energetic and tenacious and I ask for your vote.

Professor Eda Harris H= astick (Social and Behavioral Sciences, Medgar Evers College) – Good evening, colleagues. My bio was circulated amongst the last group an= d I brought along a few extra copies just in case you have not seen it. Really what I’d like to do is first of all welcome our new Senators and returning Senators and just share with you a little bit about what is not on my biographical statement. First= of all I’m very passionate about what I do, passionate about serving as a member of this body, and I’ve been on this body now since 1995. Wheth= er it’s lobbying in Albany, serving on subcommittees, or attending various meetings, I think that what happens is = that I am able to translate a lot of what I’ve learned for the past 21 yea= rs at Medgar= Evers College to my work. For many years I felt that Medgar was marginalized, we lacked proper funding, we did not have adequate resources and buildings, and in ma= ny ways over the years I sort of lost my voice because I was so used to accomm= odating bad situations. What I’ve been able to do since I’ve been on the Senate is to grow. I speak up, I speak out, I disagree, I challenge when I = feel that my voice needs to be heard and another opinion needs to be heard. I’m also concerned about what’s happening with our adjunct facu= lty. I’m concerned about what’s happening with community colleges. I’m also concerned about some of what I see on the internet, the discourse between our faculty, and I have brought to the University Faculty Senate a nugget of an idea, I have not yet been able to develop it fully, b= ut there has to be a way to incorporate more faculty input into our decision making so that it is not just a few people making decisions for everyone; we’ve got to find a way to include you more. I believe strongly in faculty governance and the mission of the University Faculty Senate and I a= sk you to return me for one more year so that I continue to do work on our beh= alf with my colleagues.

Professor Manfred Philipp (Chemistry, Lehman College) – I’ve served on the Executive Committee for several terms and = let me tell you why I am on the Exec and what I stand for. If you read the state= ment I made, I initiated the faculty demand for the capital campaign in CUNY, I’ve advocated that this Senate work more closely with discipline councils, I’ve advocated that the Senate become more involved in facilities and that’s resulted in the University’s actually establishing a capital campaign, it’s resulted in a new discipline council in Chemistry, Biochemistry, and Biology being established and having influence, and it’s resulted in having the UFS establish a facilities committee in fact addressing some of the hideous problems we have in this University. What we have to do in the future I think is have this Senate be much more involved in curriculum simply because the University’s Cent= ral Office is establishing curriculum at the central level in a way that takes = it out of the hands of the faculty. Curriculum is being removed from the facul= ty by central institutions and we have to respond to that; be proactive, respo= nd to it, and keep the faculty interest foremost and paramount. If we don̵= 7;t think about these things in advance, it’s not going to happen. So that’s what I stand for. I ask for your reelection and I will continu= e to develop new initiatives for the faculty and the Senate. Thank you.

Professor Bill Crain (Psychology, City College) – I’m Bill Crain, I’m a profes= sor of Psychology at City College, I’m = Chair of the CLAS Faculty Council at the college. I’m a strong proponent of open admissions, open access. I’m a strong proponent of rolling back tuition till we get to free tuition. I’m a strong proponent of academ= ic freedom and the right to protest, the First Amendment. I also believe that = in academic freedom [tape turned over] opportunities and no practice of having motions from the floor, all motions have to go through the Executive Commit= tee. I think that’s a centralization within our= own body. We cannot criticize centralization among others if we continue to practice it among ourselves. And I am a strong proponent of faculty governa= nce; I believe that the faculty should be in total control of our curricula and = set the visions for our colleges without administration micro-management. =

Professor Sally Mettler (LaGuardia Community= College) – And now we’ve heard from all our candidates and it’s ti= me for you to reflect and to use your ballot. Is the attendance list outside at the desk? I think now if you’re not sure whether you’re filling somebody else’s spot, please check. Some alternates are doing that ri= ght now. The desk is right outside the door, as you know, and by this time everybody is either here or not here and you’ll know whether your vote will count. Does everybody have a ballot? OK. The instructions are to rank = your 5 choices. It’s suggested that you put your choices on the ballot by places. You may vote for up to 5 candidates, not more than 5.

III. Reports:
A. Chair O’Malley – I’d lik= e to continue the meeting. Vice Chancellor Allan Dobrin was here, but he went to take a walk. He’ll be back. What I’d like to do while you’= ;re counting the ballots is just quickly go over the Chair’s Report to make sure you have no questions. =

First is the Faculty Experience Survey. I don’t know if Dean wants to say anything or not, just very quickly. <= o:p>

Professor Dean Savage (Queens College) – We’re up to about 1,800 responses already, 30%; that’s = OK; it would be wonderful to have more. Please, people, go back to your campuses and during the last week of classes make a last nudge. It would be particul= arly useful to have another 10% so we’ll be able to have an adequate representation from particular departments. Right now at 20% we’re low enough and particularly in some departments on some campuses we don’t have responses. About 70% of people are indicating which department they’re from-- it was an optional item--and that will be a wonderful = way of comparing which departments have happy faculty, which have less happy faculty, but in order to be credible we need to get the number of responses= up as high as we can, so please make an effort, go back, push a little more, a= nd see if we can increase the number of returns a little bit more. =

Chair O’Malley – Leading the p= ack, John Jay College, Kingsboroug= h Community College, LaGuardia Community= College, anyone else? / Professor Savage – That was it during that first round= ; we put about 800 in the computer and ran a kind of test to see what that looked like, and some campuses actually were more organized and made a more serious effort than others. I think one of the things we’re going to see as a result of analyzing this data is those campuses in which the Senate doesn’t quite have that much purchase.   My guess is that Queens College is probably one where we’re not doing too well. Faculty could call up and get anot= her one from the office except they may not have very many left at this point because we have also instituted, thanks to Tolga’= ;s insistence, an 800 questionnaire pilot survey of the part-time faculty and = CLTs at Brooklyn College, and then there were some questionnaires left over so I asked for them I got about 200 at Queens Coll= ege and we did about 12 departments at Queens College; I just did the labels and handed them out today; so we’re going to have those two pilot project= s to see what adjunct responses look like in particular departments compared to responses of full-time faculty in those departments; that’s going to = be very interesting.

Professor Phil Pecorino (Queensborough Commu= nity College) – If we do this again, and I hope that we will at regular intervals, it would be good as the retur= ns come in to inform the governance leaders as to how many have come in from t= heir campus so we know where more effort is needed. Thank you. / Professor Savage – What that involves is to log the number of responses from each camp= us and we were not set up to do that this time; I just happened to have a data entry team that was on fire and actually was able to give preliminary responses, but that would be a good thing to consider next time.

Professor Karen Kaplowitz (English, The John Jay College of Criminal Justice) – I don’t know if the reason John = Jay had such a high response is that we have a faculty listserv on which this h= as been announced over and over, but I think it’s important for each cam= pus to develop a faculty listserv for announcements, and so if that isn’t done this is the kind of thing that is useful.

Professor Shirley Frank (York College) – Having been introduced in that way, I feel that I have to say that when you= talk about the faculty experience and the survey and you ignore the existence of adjuncts or you have a small token group, we resent it. We feel like our opinions should b= e at least of some interest to you since we teach 63% of the courses. / Chair O’Malley – We have a transcript; it will be in the transcript. =

Professor Kathryn Richardson (Nursing, NYC College= of Technology) – I’d just like to make the announcement that we st= ill need curricula vitae for UCRA members or liaisons. / Chair O’Malley – For new people, this is the PSC CUNY Research Awards Program. / Professor Richardson– And the UCRA liaisons are recommended by the Faculty Senate Research Committee and then appointed by the Chancellor, and it’s all on the yellow fliers that are in the back over here. The four areas are physics, urban studies, and two areas where there’s been a recent vacancy, earth and environmental science and art history and visual arts, and we really ask you on your respective campuses if there are any faculty that you think would be willing to serve as UCRA liaisons, would you please talk it up and have them submit their CVs?

Chair O’Malley –Now that Vice Chancellor Allan Dobrin is here it makes sense to go to that part of the program. You have my Chair’s Report; you can read it and if you have questions, call me or e-mail me. Thank you.

V. Reports (continued)

And now it’s my great pleasure to introduce Allan Dobrin, Senior Vice Chancellor. He runs the University in terms of the plant, the facilities, makes things go around here.

A. Senior Vice Chancellor Allan Dobrin – I had the pri= vilege about three or four weeks ago to sit with the Executive Committee and we ta= lked a little bit about security, and in return everybody thought it was worthwh= ile for me to come tonight and talk more about security, so that’s why I came. Susan was kind enough to give me a couple of questions. Let me just go through the questions, there are only four of them, and I think they were informed by the conversation that I had with the Executive Committee. John McKee is the Deputy Director of Security.&= nbsp; Bill Barry told us he was in a security conference but he’s actually playing golf somewhere in North Carolina, but he really wanted to be here. John is the day-to-day person most involved in the security program.

One of the questions was how all the reporting works? On campus level there are security officers and they report to the Director of Security on the campus. The average model would be Director of Security on the campus reports usually to the Vice President for Administration; some campuses have a little different model. I think the on= ly place where it’s directly to the President is at Hostos, and then obviously the Vice President reports to the President, and for the people on the campus that’s the end of the chain; they never roll up to me in a= ny real sense. We then have the central CUNY initiative, which is John and Bill Barry and a couple of people and they do the training through the offices, = they work with Brenda Malone and work on what the civil service requirement woul= d be for officers, and Bill does report to me; Dave Fields also assists me in supervising Bill. That’s the reporting structure at the University. <= o:p>

In terms of City College, my understanding is there was a settlement with the students. Everyone knows what I’m talking about at City College? No. There = was a recruitment fair at City College about two months ago and some of the recruiters were from the military, and there was a group of students who very properly decided that they wanted to protest the presence of the military, and that’s fine. I’m going to try to as hones= tly as I can give you the story; I wasn’t there and I don’t really know what happened. Students came to protest, the students form the hall, the students were asked to leave, one way or another the students did leave, and then there was an incident outside that became violent. From the security perspective I was told that security officers were assaulted--there was a lieutenant who was thrown to the ground and beaten up and taken to the hospital. The other side – which, again, I wasn’t there, I̵= 7;ve become smart enough in my old age to know that if I wasn’t there I don’t know for sure – said that it’s not what happened, t= hey were outside and security officers began to assault the students. Who knows? Anyway, that’s what happened. There was a settlement with the student= s on this, the students are now back in school as I understand, but part of the settlement was a non-disclosure agreement for both sides, so that’s w= hat I know on that side. On the criminal side of that, on the assault charges, = our position is that this thing should be over. The students are back in school, this should be out of everybody’s lives.= My understanding is that’s not exactly as clear from the District Attorney’s part. We have reached out and Rick Schaffer is going to tr= y to reach out at the very highest levels at the District Attorney to see if we = can convince people that this is silly to keep going forward with. The staff member, I understand there’s been some negotiations with the PSC, who’s representing them, and they’re going to go to a Step Two next, and that’s where that is. The complai= ner in the criminal charges would be the security person. Once it goes to the District Attorney’s Office, even if you say you don’t want to d= o it anymore, they still have to use their judgment about whether they want to continue or not. We have the option of then trying to go way above them, and that’s what we’re going to do.   What did we learn? I think I= learned two things: One, clearly, and I think City College learned this also, it is= not a good idea to use--I don’t know if this is the right word but everyo= ne calls these--pens, where people feel penned, which is not to say you can’t have some barriers to people. We’ve had a number of demonstrations since then and they didn’t use them anymore; I donR= 17;t believe they intend to use them in the future. The other I’ve learned= is who knows the truth? I know I’ve heard from people on the student side who I know are honorable people and I assume they’re telling the trut= h, and I know what I heard from the security administration side who are also honorable people and I know they’re telling me the truth too. So that’s not especially useful to me to feel like that, so I think in t= he future when we’re aware there’s going to be a demonstration I w= ill either have Bill or Dave or John be there so I know there’s somebody there that I can talk to who doesn’t have a vested interest; if I can’t assume they’re telling me the truth I don’t know wh= ere I go after that other than just go to all of them myself and then wonder if I’m telling the truth.

John’s going to talk a little bit in a min= ute about the statistics in the CUNY campuses; they’ve gone down. We̵= 7;ll tell you what down means, how much was up and then how much was down. What I prefer not to do, unless somebody has a real business reason to want to do = it, is mention specific schools; I don’t want to embarrass anybody. So if anybody really cares it’s also to me public information, so I wouldn’t mind showing it to you privately, if you want to see it that’d be fine, but I’d rather not stand in front of a micropho= ne and talk about individual numbers. And then I was asked also if we could ta= lk a little bit about the budget for security, and we can but I can’t do it right now because John is in the process now of taking a look at what the numbers are for all the campuses; it’s not a 10 minute project, it’s a couple of weeks project, but we’ll share that with Susan= and that’s not a problem. And I was also asked if there are things we’re doing to try to make this more efficient, and there are. Let me just talk about four of them. One is Bill and John have been meeting with e= ach one of the campuses and they’re taking a look at what’s the appropriate mix on that campus for peace officers, contract guards, and security assistants. I’ve also asked Bill to do what’s called a post study, which is when you decide how many officers you need you decide = it usually by looking at posts; you say I have a front door and I need somebody there 24/7, I’ve got this other thing I need somebody there only duri= ng the day from 9 to 5; so we take a look and see if the assumption that people made on the campuses are sensible on what posts they need to have covered a= nd hopefully that will save us a little bit of money. We’re also doing central contracts. One of the things I found on the IT side is when we buy things as a university we can generally save between 25 and 50%, if we go in and say we will buy this as a university instead of an individual college. = So we did this with PCs and also for software; we looked at virus protection a= nd we did it for things like that; it was a 50% difference in what the cheapest campus and the most expensive were paying; when we bought as a university we got it considerably cheaper than the cheapest campus, so do the same thing = for security; so we’re looking at vehicles, radio equipment, close-circuit televisions. We want to even = have one person maybe who works for us go from campus to campus to fix close-cir= cuit televisions when they’re down, we’ll look at alarms and central= ized armored car pick-ups when we have to pick up cash from the campuses, and do this as one contract instead of 19 contracts. Probably the most interesting= initiative is the Health and Hospital Corporation approached us a few months ago and t= hey have 850 peace officers, and they said, “Would CUNY be interested in doing a training for us?” And we said, “Sure, for money? Absolutely.” We now have also signed a contract = with HRA. The TLC, the Officer Chief Medical Examiner, Yonkers Raceway, and the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children have also asked to do this, a= nd we’re going to do this at York. It’s going to be a revenue producer for the college. We’ve alre= ady made a deal with York that a lot of the pr= ofits will go to a scholarship for the students at York; with the other money we can try to reduce costs and other things on the academic side of the house. So we̵= 7;re very serious about saving money here. It will never be free but we’ll= do this as reasonably as we can but so that it doesn’t compromise anyone’s safety. So what I thought might be useful also, because these are also questions we talked about at City, is what is the kind of training= our security officers get, and John’s going to talk about that a little. He’ll talk about the numbers and then he’ll talk about the training, and then we’ll take questions.

Security Director John McKee – One thing abo= ut the training operations, I’m a product of training operations as well. I = came to the University in 1991 as one of the first peace officers that you had a= nd worked through the system through City College and other locations. The training that I took at that time was at a minimum compared = to what we give the peace officers today. The peace officers at the City University of New York do not receive the basic 35-hour certification that = most peace officers get in New Yor= k. We give them over 280 hours of University-related training mostly above the= 35 hours, how to deal with the college community, with the constituencies here, how to do that custom service that we love them all for so much, and that’s the kind of things that we’re going to be looking at goi= ng forward doing the staffing is to make sure that we preserve that great environment that we have right now in the City University of New York with = the peace officers on campus and the campus security assistants. This particular model that we’ve put together has become a model for other agencies, = as the Senior Vice Chancellor has told you. All these other groups, Health and Hospitals Corporation had to a degree a tarnished image if you read the = Daily News and other papers. They came to us and said, “We want to take that customer service problem that we have and bring it to the hospital. Can you help us?” and we said, “Sure. Will you pay us?” and t= hey said yes. So we have a long program with them now--we do all their entry-le= vel officers. We trained over the last six and a half months 350 peace officers entry-level. We’re in the process of doing all 800 in service; peace officers including ours have to go through an in-service training every year two days a year; they come back in and refresh all their skills; we give th= em all those tools and refresh those tools and sharpen them up and send them b= ack out in the field; that’s what we’re doing now for the Health and Hospitals Corporation as well. If security officers in the neighborhood need training they can come to York= to us and get their certifications. There are a lot of other things that we’re working on as well. So those are the training issues that we’re working on training that new officers have on the campus. Any questions on that? / [off mic= ] / John McKee – They run continuously. To train all of our in-house pe= ace officers and health and hospitals on a regular basis we run in-service every night from 2 to 10 two nights a week for all the different agencies. We als= o do law enforcement, which is a 5-week course for HHC, 7-week course for us. That’s running right now. If you’re at York, stop by the science building in t= he back and see our academy; you can see the officers who work there.

Just briefly on the statistics. If you’re = not fully aware you should be that every faculty, staff member, student gets information from your campus security department every year under the Cleary Crime Reporting Statistics Act. If you look at those statistics you = will see that our statistics are quite good, very good. In fact over the last th= ree years we have a 29% decrease in reportable crimes in each category. The Cle= ary Act has changed quite a bit over the years, we’ve added more categori= es, and you’ll see it from the very beginning; it was very simple, very small; it’s become a lot more involved. If you look at the statistics you’ll see that the majority of reportable crime doesn’t take p= lace on campus, it takes place in adjacent streets and other areas, which really isn’t under our control. So we spend a lot of time, you may see on yo= ur campus the peace officers controlling the perimeter of the campus, working = with the crime prevention folks and others to try to reduce that number as much = as possible even though it’s not directly under our control, and we have been quite successful in that area as well. But you can get those statistics from your campus public safety officer. I encourage you to take a look at t= hem, and you’ll probably say that they’re very good.

Professor Manfred Ph= ilipp (Chemistry, Lehman College) – I’d like to compliment you through my experience at Lehman College at least. Since the CUNY peace officers have been involved the sense of security and safety on the campus is enormously better and certainly the professionalism of the individual officers is reassuring to the people on campus. Increasingly there is a sense that the campus, because it’s an open campus, has become a little less so, but I don’t have the access= to the statistics; there are more and more incidents. That’s something t= hat is linked with money and we’re short on money but I have to say, on t= he whole, compliments. / John McKee – Thank you.

Professor Orlanda Brugnola (John Jay College) – The recertification = for Health and Hospitals used to be done out of special programs at John Jay and from time to time I taught some of those units, and the one thing I would j= ust say is that their officers are quite a remarkable group of people with remarkable duties and I hope that somebody in your program will pay attenti= on to some of what I would refer to as the moral genius that you’ll find= in that population. / John McKee– Absolutely. Than= k you.

Professor Eda Harris H= astick (Social and Behavioral Sciences, Medgar Evers College) – Good news, bad news. Good news, security/peace officers are really q= uite good, very professional, very patient with students, the Director very invo= lved with community policing etc.; training is obviously working. This is really= not bad news; it’s really an anticipatory kind of situation. During the summer months the college is rented much more frequently; kindergarten grad= uations, junior high. We would like to ensure that what happened a few years ago does not reoccur where there is a little closer integration of working with the various departments at the college, including space reservations, how many people and so on, you know the rest of the scenario. I rest my case. / Sr. = Vice Chancellor Dobrin – In case anybody doesn’t know what we’= re talking about, several years ago the Board of Education did a graduation ceremony at Medgar Evers, and the Board of Ed didn’t do the reservati= ons but it was in control of the tickets. The Board of Ed had many more people = show up than they had thought and there were people outside, and some of those people had traveled from down south, the Caribbean to see their grandchildr= en graduate, and I know if I traveled a thousand miles to see my grandchildren graduate and then somebody said we’re sorry, not enough room, come ba= ck next time they graduate, I would be really angry. I know those people were really angry and they kind of bumrushed the pla= ce and they tried to knock away the security and get in and it was really a very dangerous situation, and a security officer actually m= aced several parents. There’s nothing worse than maci= ng grandparents who want to see their children’s graduation. This was no= t a good day for public relations for CUNY. However, that’s not where the story ends. What we did is we went back and put together a CUNY-wide program where you have to make a space reservation, you have to say how many people= are coming, the tickets have to be numbered, so we really have a much better se= nse; you have to have an overflow room. / Professor Hastick – Close-circuit TV. / Sr. Vice Chancellor – That’s right. So if somebody didn’t get in the room they still have a c= hance to see their grandchild graduate. So we expect it will be better, but in tr= uth Medgar is always one of the places that make me really nervous since that incident. / Professor Hastick – They’re not allowed to buy mace= . / Sr. Vice Chancellor – You can buy mace. Unfortunately you can buy this now at the local drug store; it’s a legal product in New York. But our goal is to use almost never. / We actually don’t use mace, we use pepper spray.<= /span>

Professor Nkechi Agwu (Borough of Manh= attan Community College) – I have a couple of questions that relate to quality concerning security. I know that the governance has security committees on every campus and the first question is does your office get any feedback from these committees with regard to what are some of the concerns and assessments with regard with what could be done to enhance the campus as far as security mat= ters are concerned? The second question, which is also a policy one, is I was ha= ppy to hear that you said that your office had done an assessment of what happe= ned at City <= st1:PlaceType w:st=3D"on">College and at least had come to s= ome conclusions with regard with some actions that you could take for the futur= e. When you have situations like this where you have peace officers involved in altercations with other members of the campus community, is there any policy that the college has with regard to an independent review panel reviewing t= he situation to come up with some suggestions or recommendations for the futur= e so that you can avoid this type of thing? / Special Counsel to the Chancellor = Dave Fields – Let me go to the first one first. In the State Law thereR= 17;s a requirement that every campus has a security committee, which consists of students and faculty form the campus, and every year we poll the campuses; = we don’t just ask them do they have the committee, we actually ask them = to give us the names of all the participants, so that way we know that they have…/ Professor Agwu – Do they act= ually meet? / Mr. Fields – The answer to that I think would vary from campu= s to campus. Every campus has its own handle on security. We require them to have the committee; we can’t make them meet any particular amount of time.= / Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin – I will ask the question. It’s an excellent point. /&nbs= p; Mr. Fields – We don’t have an independent review power. Most of the security officers are under contract, DC30 under the Teamsters, and in their contract there’s a disciplinary process, and = in fact we came up with an expedited process and we also added methodology for which people can make complaints not only on the campus but also centrally = if they feel that they’re not getting a response. So between the disciplinary process that we recently approved through the labor agreement = with the Union, we have an expedited process and this methodology by which peopl= e can make complaints directly through the security people on campus, if not the security people the Provost’s Office or the President’s Office = on campus, and, if they feel that’s not adequate, directly to us, and we’ll take any complaint that comes in and investigate it. / Professo= r Agwu – I wasn’t referring to a complaint. I’m talking about a situation that involves a peace officer and other members of the campus community. What does the Office of the Vice President= of Administration do in terms of assessing this through an independent review panel that’s not made up of the same security office? / Mr. Fields – Well, it’s not made up of the security office, it’s the Vice President’s Office and the President’s Office and the Pers= onnel Department of the campuses; they do the review, not other peace officers. / Professor Agwu – What about the involveme= nt of other members of the campus community since this is an altercation that involves them? / Mr. Fields – The procedure does not include a securi= ty panel.

Chair O’Malley – People are ge= tting restless because they want to know the results of the election. I think peo= ple should just ask questions quickly and answer quickly and then you’ll = get the results. One question. Let’s move quic= kly.

Professor Bill Crain (Psychology, City Col= lege) – I know people are impatient but the last speaker’s question a= bout an ongoing independent review is central to what has happened at City, and = not just complaints but a review initiated from an independent judge from above= the campus level or from the campus level. We have no faith in the campus level= to evaluate anything; they already declared their answer. The question I have = is what we’re discussing as we go forward now is where free speech is permissible? Obviously we’re trying to balance safety and the right f= or the campus to carry out its functions on the one hand with the right to pro= test on the other. My position is when things are ambiguous you err on the side = of the First Amendment. I’= m glad to hear that pens have been removed, but what of designated areas, and that very much seems like it’s part of the administration’s position. My question is don’t you think that = is pretty close to unconstitutional since you cannot say free speech is permit= ted in this area but not in that area? Free speech means free speech and I think protest has a right to be addressing those where they are protesting. I don’t think you can take them out of the building; they have a right = to protest the target of their protest and I think this concept of designated areas is very dangerous. / Special Counsel to the Chancellor – Bill is right. The First Amendment does not stop at the campus gate. The First Amendment is everywhere and we’re under that, and free speech is everywhere. The fact that some protesting activity that might make noise and disrupt a class is asked to be in a part of the campus that doesn’t disrupt the class is not unconstitutional; that’s a time, place and manner restriction that is supportable under the Constitution and is in fac= t the First Amendment, because the students who are in class have the right to ha= ve their class continue. / Professor Crain – Then you get closer. The military come on and it’s not a class. / Mr. Fields – Each case= is a separate case, but you’re right, the First Amendment does not end at the gate.

Chair O’Malley – Sally Mettler= is going to write the numbers on the board, but I think we could just continue talking. She can do that and then we can all clap, but I think we should continue with questions.

Professor Manawendra= Roy (Borough of Manhattan Community College) – [tape t= urned over] ….that electronic security is more dangerous at this moment than physical security. / Special Counsel to the Chancellor Dave Fields – = Each campus does orientation of its faculty on its own and some may put in information about security and others may not, but the whole notion, which = is what the Vice Chancellor was trying to say at the beginning, is that the security organization is campus by campus organizations. We do not tell the security department how to run on a campus and we don’t direct them at all centrally. We do some training but we don’t run the operations, so each campus has its own orientation. / Professor Roy – But at this mo= ment this is a Federal Government law that every employee who get written policy= on any campus or any organization should have a written policy and procedure a= nd that should be updated every time because electronic crime is changing every day. / Mr. Fields – We mentioned earlier the Cleary Act. Have you done your Cleary statistics at all at your campus? The Cleary statistics is not = just a chart of numbers. Within there under Federal Law we have all the different policies that are required to be explained to everybody on an annual basis. There isn’t something in there specifically for IT unfortunately but = in the IT department itself they have procedures and things as far as access to CUNY computers and secure data. There’s a whole host of procedures th= ere and a lot of that wouldn’t be something that every employee would get= in depth but, you’re right to a degree, I’m sure that the IT department has an issue with getting that information to them. / Chair O’Malley – I think we’ve got to limit it to one question = if you don’t mind. And also, I want to congratulate the people who are on the Executive Committee, but I also want to thank Eda Hastick for her servi= ce to the Executive Committee and all she has given, and also, thank you, Bill Crain, for all you have given too. Professor Hastick – I too would like to express my gratitude t= o my colleagues for allowing me to serve for the past two years. It’s been= a great experience and I look forward to continuing on the University Faculty Senate. I was reelected a year ago, so I look forward to continuing in my u= sual style and manner.   =

Professor Phil Pecorino (Queensborough Commu= nity College) – I often find myself followin= g on the footsteps of my colleague Bill Crain. I want to introduce another featu= re to that discussion and I want to call for a review of the campus plans concerning demonstrations perhaps by a group of the UFS to check into this = idea of the limited areas, of the so called free speech zones, moderating the de= sire to keep instruction uninterrupted on the one hand and for conflict avoidanc= e on the other. I’m aware of situations where the designated area I think violates that district down in Texas that said you can’t move people out of the thoroughfares where they w= ant to communicate with others. In one place I think the designated zone is the soccer field, a not highly traveled area. So perhaps a review of them in te= rms of conflict avoidance, that there are reasonable ways of dealing with poten= tial situations that don’t offend either people’s sense of their constitutional rights and don’t interfere with the basic instructional program that is our mission. / Special Counsel to the Chancellor Dave Fields – And there’s also a lot of court cases in this area. If a camp= us has a place that’s been used historically for free speech that become= s a public forum under the law, it’s still a public forum. So free speech is not abridged anywhere; you have the right to free speech wherever you go; the i= ssue is sometimes there may be a demonstration that might disrupt the classroom activities. That’s wher= e you might have some space to use designated areas. For inst= ance, handing out a leaflet. / Professor Pecorino – I’m just asking you is it possible perhaps to review the = plans that are in place now with an eye on looking at those features. / Mr. Fields – And many campuses don’t have designated spaces; that’s = only in some places. / Professor Pecorino – That’s true. / Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin – I think many of them don’t. One of the thin= gs I would ask maybe is for Rick when he meets with the councils on the campus to have a conversation, to just make sure they understand that if there is a designated space it should not be the far end of the soccer field. / Chair O’Malley – Yeah, but faculty want to be brought into the discus= sion too, or at least know about it.

Professor Karen Kaplowitz (English, The John Jay College of Criminal Justice) – Two things: One is I’m glad, Vice Chancellor Dobrin, to hear that we’ll get the budget numbers because,= as Dave Fields knows, we’ve been asking for years on Fiscal, and since V= ice Chancellor Malave’s predecessor in fact we never got the numbers for the security, so we look forward to getting them.= The other thing is the State Law about the security committees. The colleges ne= ed to know that the law requires the faculty governance body to recommend doub= le the number of faculty to be on the committee, that the student councils recommend double the number of students, and there’s supposed to be a third faculty, a third students, and a third administrators. Colleges don’t know that and so they pick the students and the faculty, at lea= st some of them. Sometimes the faculty who are chos= en are, surprisingly, untenured, brand new faculty. Can you imagine how knowledgeable and how free to speak to these issues these people are? The l= aw was well written and the faculty governance body should be recommending the faculty, and would you please inform the colleges and not just ask for the names but tell them what’s required? / Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin = 211; I also want to find out if they’re meeting and if the meeting …= ]/ Professor Kaplowitz – And the reports are not disseminated to our knowledge; they’re supposed to be on your reports. / Sr. Vice Chancel= lor – That’s reasonable. / Professor Kaplowitz – Thank you.

Professor Philip Leonhard (City College) – I’m Chair= of the Faculty Senate at Cit= y College. The incide= nt with the students and the staff person at City College seriously strained but fortunately did not break what had been excellent relations between the college community and the security force on campus. We have been looking back upon the incident trying to make sense out of what h= ad happened. We also attempted to look forward to ensure that incidents do not further strain the situation. I was pleased to hear from you today that in = fact there is in place a mechanism for review and for reporting. We have asked f= or such mechanism or indications of such mechanisms at the highest level at the college on multiple occasions and have not received the response that you g= ave today. I would therefore request of you would you share it with the City College community? / Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin – I have obviously shared it = with the President. / Professor Leonard – Thank you. But I do have a quest= ion. We have a number of remaining questions but one of the ones that are of ser= ious concern is who has control over security on campus? During that incident th= ere was present at the incident at the time when one of the students was under arrest and he was forcefully secured, a Vice President of the college who identified herself and sought to intervene. The response from security at t= hat time was that if she moved a step further she would be placed under arrest = as well. At what level in the college do administrators have the right to not necessarily intervene or stop an action by security but at least have some input into the process? / Special Counsel to the Chancellor Dave Fields = 211; It depends on the campus’s organization; that’s the President’s call on how to organize it, so not every Vice President m= ight be able to stop a security action. / Professor Leonard – Is there any standard procedure within the University. / Mr. Fields – No, there is not, it’s campus by campus; in fact it’s a Board resolution that the campus Presidents are in control of security. / Professor Leonard ̵= 1; Thank you for sharing the information with us tonight. / Mr. Fields – Thank you for your comments.

Professor Frances Ruoff (Kingsborough Community College) – I have a que= stion about the finances; you said you’re going to get a breakdown to us. W= ell, different campuses have different private security in addition to the CUNY security. Will we get a breakdown as to how much those private companies are getting? In dollars and cents the security you’re providing from CUNY= has been very good. Is it a matter of dollars and cents that we still have priv= ate companies and it all doesn’t go there? / Special Counsel to the Chancellor Dave Fields – No, it’s a matter of a mix based on the need, in other words the peace officers are the most expensive security. / = Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin – The answer is yes. If you need somebody who’s going to be running around the college making sure that all of = you are safe that requires peace officers. If you need somebody to stand there = on the basement guarding some place that’s open because there are cabine= ts and things that are locked up you want to spend less money on that. It̵= 7;s a zero sum total game. / Mr. Fields – The contract guards are less expensive than the peace officers. / Professor Ruoff – But will we get the breakdown college wide because there are different private security campuses and some are more expensive than others. We’ll get all of th= at? OK, thank you.

Professor Martha Bell (Educational Services= , Brooklyn College) – There are other t= hings on your plate besides security clearly and since you’ve been here you’ve instituted many money-saving initiatives, like the IT initiati= ve to bring things together. Given we have the Chancellor keep saying there are enormous structural deficits, to use his phrase, for next year, the particu= lar money-saving initiatives that you talked about before had to do with securi= ty as I was listening but are there other pet ones that shift off security that we’re going to see and be part of as the new academic year rolls on? / Sr. VC Dobrin – Let me just tell you where= we are in the productivity initiative. If you want me to come back to talk abo= ut it one day at length, I’d be honored to do that. We’re not trying to save mon= ey and return it to anybody or take care of budget deficits. The purpose of the program is to do creative things constantly to save money or bring in more revenue to be used for the academic side of the house. So every college at = the end of every year has to come back with a report, which I’d be glad to share with you, we’re just about to do the new one. I had a target as part of the $10 million initiative, this is what I did, but also this is wh= at I spent it on. We have hundreds and hundreds of things we’re doing, and I’ll give you just a sense of some of the wacky ones: on the College of Staten Island we spent tens of tho= usands of dollars because they had a geese problem. So we spent the money on chemi= cals and things to have the geese move out to other places. I believe it was the Vice President who had an idea: why don’t we go to the pound to get a= dog and the dog can chase the geese away, so he saved about $20-30,000 a year by getting the dog. We worked out an agreement with some of the power companies that are during slow times, deliberately during the night, lower energy during some of= the peak season, like during the summer, and they pay us $700,000 for that. Read the ads now in the papers; it used to be you looked in the Week in R= eview section and you’d see a Hunter ad, a Queens ad. Now we did two things: One, we combined all of the ads together, and th= en we also address people to the websites; if you’re interested in being= a controller at City College go to the website for details; we’re saving half a million dollars a year by doing that, which will transfer to the aca= demic side; hundreds of things that we’re proud of.

Professor Glenn Lewis (English, York Colleg= e) – There’s something about the security that bothers me, at leas= t at York, and in traveling to other campuses around the University over the yea= rs I’ve seen the same thing, and that is whoever is deploying the securi= ty officers is not really seeing the big picture, because what’s happeni= ng is you tend to get security officers concentrated inside the colleges, insi= de the buildings, at entryways or at highly populated areas like the student cafeterias and places like that. Well, there’s no security need there, there’s nothing going on there, there’s no threat there. Where = you never see a security officer is on the perimeter of the college after 6 o’clock at night. I got mugged a couple of weeks ago and fought the g= uys off. / Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin – On the campus= ? / Professor Lewis – Well, let’s put it this way, on the way to = the subway, which is a block from the campus, in the underpass still part of th= e campus. There’s an empty booth there; there’s also an empty booth on the next block. What’s the sense of putting up security booths if you don’t put people in them? That’s number one. Number two, someti= mes just having a physical presence is a deterrent. There is no sense of borders where the campus begins and ends because there’s no sense of security that marks the borders of these campuses. I went undergraduate and graduate= as a student throughout the City University; I went to Lehman undergraduate, to City College graduate; one thing I do remember then there was a certain sanctity to a campus, there was a certain feeling that regardless of what y= our trip was to get to campus once you got on campus those borders were safe; t= hat doesn’t exist anymore, and I think you have to have meetings with your people on every campus and make sure that they know how to deploy people. /= Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin – I think at a lot of the campuses I’ve heard about tonight there is a feeling of security, but clearly we failed a= t York.<= /span>

Professor Bill Friedheim (History, Borough of Manhattan Community College) – Maybe Vice Chancellor Schaffer is bett= er placed to answer this question or maybe you can answer it. Does the Univers= ity have a policy on military recruiters on campus and if so what is it? / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – I don’t believe we have a policy one way = or the other. We have a federal law that we’re compelled to follow but in term of Board resolution, Board policy, there is not CUNY-wide policy. / Professor Friedheim – So there’s no University-wide policy, bec= ause obviously what happened is…[tape turned over]… and students who were able to be enrolled at Hunter. / Sr. Vice Chancellor Dobrin – There were Student Life people there also to make sure the conversations were sensible and it obviously went much better than= it went at City, so hopefully we can work …. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – Bill, you may be interested to know that the United States Supreme Court granted a writ of certiori in the case of= the Third Circuit. Their lawyers wound up saying they agree to review the third circuit decision striking down the Solomon Amendment, and so for better or worse we’ll have a definitive decision.

Professor Stefan Baumrin (Philosophy, The Grad= uate School and University Center) – We don’t have an old university faculty body that could pass such a resolution as at Columbia and that̵= 7;s why we don’t have one that applies to the entire University. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – But we can’t change whether or not we will allow recruiters. / Professor Baumrin – Whatever we do, we don’t have an organ that would do it for the entire University. Whether we would = do it and it would be found unconstitutional, whether it would be ruled beyond= the authority of the body is another matter. We don’t have the faculty legislative body who decides these matters for the whole University, which = is the complaint of my comment. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer= – But we don’t = have that any less than Columbia. The body at Columbia, like our Faculty Senate, is an advisory body, it’s not an ultimate legislative body.

Professor Diane Sank (City College) –= ; I happen to be the college ombuds person and I was reluctant to speak because I was asked by my colleagues to inquire into what happened on March 9 and what also happened two days later on March 11 when a staff member in her office was approached by three men in street clothes and essentially taken out of her office and arrested. But I would like to ask several points. I would really appreciate, and I seem to get a sense that y= ou want to do this, if you clarified for us under what circumstance will stude= nts or staff or even faculty be arrested, under what circumstances will these t= hree entities be suspended, in the case of a staff member suspended without pay = for one month, in the case of students suspended from courses, from being able = to even enter the campus for one month? And I bring this up because there is an article in the Board of Trustees’ Bylaws, Article 15, which has sever= al parts; 15.3 says with regard to students that if any situation develops the= re shall be immediately an investigation by the Vice President of Student Affa= irs, the same Vice President that my colleague Professor Leonard said was told t= hat if she participates any further in that encounter she might be arrested. But there’s an article 15.6 which says that under extreme circumstances t= hey can apparently arrest and suspend. I raised this to the President at a Facu= lty Senate meeting and the Dean of Faculty Relations said that they used article 15.6; most of our faculty seemed to feel that article 15.3, which was to investigate first before you arrest or certainly before you suspend. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – I don’t think there’s a blanket ans= wer; it’s going to depend upon the facts of each individual case and the circumstances of each case, but the Bylaws clearly give the power to suspen= d in extraordinary cases. I can’t comment because I don’t know the f= acts first hand as to whether that was appropriately exercised or not. / Profess= or Sank – That’s why I want the clarification. What is considered, according to the answer to me, that 15.6 was used because it was an extreme case? From what you said, I can’t really comment because I’m in a sense involved in the inquiry, but there see= m to be two sides to this, the students say they were attacked and the security think they were attacked, so why did the administration use 15.6, which was= to immediately suspend the students, immediately or two days later suspend the staff member without pay, and do this for a period of a month? Before I for= get it, you said that they had an agreement that there will not be a disciplina= ry hearing, because actually a disciplinary hearing was set up, which in our interpretation means that there was evidence that the students and the staff had done something that required …/ Vice Chancellor Schaffer – I actually said that they had a settlement. / Professor Sank – My understanding is that there will still be a disciplinary hearing. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – No, the matter was finally resolved. / Professor Sank – So there will be no disciplinary hearing of the students? / Vi= ce Chancellor Schaffer – Correct. / Professor Sank &= #8211; And what about the staff? They’re on step two, OK. But I would like CUNY to clarify these points. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – I just don’t know the facts here, I have to ask the Presidents, but the decisions were made based on the investigation that was carried out by President William’s administration. In any investigation there’s going to be conflicting evidence and someone has to make a determination as to…/ Professor Sank – Are you saying that there was an investigation? To our knowledge there was no investigation. / Vice Chancell= or Schaffer – Investigation means somebody spoke to people with relevant knowledge and determined at least in a preliminary manner what the facts we= re and whether section 15.6 of the Bylaws was satisfying.

Professor Bill Crain (Psychology, City College) – A couple of quick things on Diane’s point. You’re aware th= at the President sent a letter to the college community March 10 without speaking = to any of the students or any of those who were arrested. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – I don’t know who he spoke to. / Professor Crain R= 11; We know that none of them were spoken to, so that’s an investigation where you get one side. Also, I think in terms of Diane’s statement, = the President of the New York Civil Liberties Union came and spoke to the City College Faculty Senate and, for what it’s worth, her opinion was that there should be standards governing, at least guidelines helping guide when= you go for 15.3, when you go for 15.6; it’s not just open air and arbitra= ry judgment; there should be some sort of standards. In her phrase, your Board= of Trustees’ guidelines need work; you should have some criteria here to apply to this; it’s not just up to the judgment of an individual, who= ever that happens to be at the case. So that was her opinion and I think it̵= 7;s worth looking at. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – We’re entitled to our opinion. I’ll certainly consider and look at it but the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution talks about probable cause, it’s a very vague standard but somehow we’ve managed to operate under it for coup= le of centuries. / Professor Sank – It also talks about due process and I think due process means that you first do a thorough investigation before y= ou conclude that any party is guilty. Holding a disciplinary hearing or setting one up for both the staff and the student in our mind implied that they were guilty or that there was enough evidence to indicate guilt. / Vice Chancell= or Schaffer – It can’t possibly imply that because otherwise you’d never be able to bring a proceeding against anybody. It is pure= ly an accusatory instrument; it doesn’t imply guilt. The determination of guilt is made at the hearing. Sometimes suspension occurs before the fact. = It is also not a determination of guilt, it’s a preliminary determination made on the facts of the case. The Bylaws permitted and it is not at all an extraordinary thing, the same way that bail can be denied before the trial = of a criminal; these things are consistent with due process.

Chair O’Malley – I’m afr= aid this meeting has got to end because they’ve got to leave. Do you want= to make one final comment, Bill?

Professor Diane Sank (City College) –= ; 15.3 says there shall be an investigation by the Vice President of Student Affai= rs prior to any action and then gives three options: drop all charges, go into […] or the disciplinary hearing. I don’t think the others reali= ze that. Before a disciplinary hearing is set up you have to have an investigation by the Vice President of Student Affairs. Was there such an investigation? / V= ice Chancellor Schaffer – The answer is there was and a disciplinary proceeding was commenced. / Chair O’Malley – One final comment = and then I want to say thank you.

Professor Bill Crain (Psychology, City Col= lege) – I appreciate your being here but, Mr. Schaffer, the technicalities = are one thing; what happened was they spent time in the Tombs, they were suspen= ded, they missed classes for weeks, one was arrested in her office. Do you imagi= ne the trauma of being arrested in your office? If that’s possible for u= s to become at any time that sounds spooky, to get arrested without knowing it, = you’re in your office and they just come and arrest you. They suffered trauma and = to the layman that’s punishment before anything else has occurred; first= the punishment then the verdict; that’s punishment. Now you could say it = can happen but it shouldn’t happen in terms of common sense. / Vice Chancellor Schaffer – Bill, as I said before I wasn’t there. Ea= ch case is going to depend on its own facts and in some cases arrest is the appropriate remedy. I don’t know what the facts of this case were but= there’s nothing extraordinary about the fact of an arrest if a crime has been committed.

Chair O’Malley – Thank you so much.   I just want to sa= y the resolution for Bernie will be deferred until the fall when Bernie is here.<= o:p>

Professor Orlanda Brugnola: = I have a point of personal privilege. I realize this is devolving here. As you kno= w I have been on the University Senate for an eight-year period in the past and again serving in this body. The City University of New York and I celebrate= it wherever I go. I also sit on a number of groups in which I have a particular role and it’s to observe things that go on. I noticed, just as I would have noticed and would have been standing here in that way if the entire Executive Committee that was elected had been all male; I would have commen= ted upon this. I will comment tonight that I noticed that the Executive Committ= ee that’s just been elected, all of the people that were elected, were n= ot people of color, and I want that to be on the record as something that I ha= ve noticed and commend to your attention in terms of your efforts to encourage your colleagues in your colleges to participate in the University Governanc= e to the degree that they are possibly able to do so. / Chair – Thank you.=