Subject to Senate Approval
THE
TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIFTH PLENARY SESSION
OF THE UNIVERSITY FACULTY SENATE
OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK
January 30, 2001
Chair Sohmer called the session to order at 6:30
p.m. in Room 614B of the BMW Building at The John Jay College of Criminal
Justice. Present were Senators from
the following campuses: Baruch:
Hill, McCall and Pollard; BMCC: Friedman, Herz, Neis, Price, and Young;
Bronx CC: Gonsher, Read, and Tanaka-Kuwashima; Brooklyn: Antoniello, Bell,
Jacobson, Kahan, Shapiro, and Tobey; CCNY: Crain and Sohmer; CSI: Cooper,
Foleno, Levine, and Yousef; CUNY Law School: none; Graduate School: Baumrin and
King; Hostos CC: Pam; Hunter: Doss,
Kurzman, Sherrill, Steinberg, and Wonsek; John Jay: Bohigian, Kaplowitz, and
Alternates E. Davenport and Lanzone; Kingsborough CC: Farrell, Galvin,
O’Malley, Richter and Alternate Barnhart; LaGuardia CC: Beaky, Reitano, and
Alternate Davidson; Lehman: Bullaro, Feinerman, and Jervis; Medgar Evers:
Harris-Hastick and Alternate Leocal; NYC Technical: Cermele, Hounion, Walter,
and Alternate Richardson; Queens: Diamond, Kulkarni, and Marshall; Queensborough
CC: Greenbaum and Alternate Tully; York: Alternate Necol. Newly elected Senator
Manassah attended. Governance Leaders present: Baumrin (GSUC), Feinerman
(Lehman), Kaplowitz (John Jay), Levine (CSI), O’Malley (Kingsborough),
Perlstein (BMCC), and Tobey (Brooklyn). Excused
were Senators Philipp and Rodriguez. CUNY
Faculty members Jones (Hostos) and Dahbany-Miraglia (QCC) attended.
Executive Director Phipps, Administrative Assistant Pasela and Secretary
Blanchard were present.
I.
Approval of the Agenda: The agenda was adopted as proposed.
II.
Approval of the Minutes of December 12, 2000: The Minutes were
approved as distributed.
III.
Reports: [recorded in Reports & Deliberations].
a.
Chair (oral).
b.
Chancellor (oral).
c.
Representatives of the Board Committees (written).
IV.
New Business:
a.
Research Committee:
Professor Kahan
(liaison) presented a report on funding of the PSC-CUNY Award Program.
It recommends funding be increased to $4.4M at minimum to cover the cost
of inflation since 1998. An additional $325,000 is recommended as a supplement for
newly hired and junior faculty. Further,
it cites that the real value of the average PSC-CUNY grant has declined nearly
32% since 1996. The report was
prepared in July and forwarded to PSC President Bowen for contract negotiations.
Although received favorably, the item did not appear on the demands posted on
the PSC web-site. Professor McCall
noted that it was demand #155 in the final written text.
The committee requested the item be given more focus.
See Reports & Deliberations for full discussion.
Professor
Richardson, Chair of Research Committee, asked Senators to nominate colleagues
to become liaisons to the PSC-CUNY Award Program. An additional $1,500 was added to the final year of the
in-service allotment, which brings the total allotment to $6,000.
Faculty are needed in the following areas:
Chemistry, Earth & Environmental Science, Engineering, Ethnic &
Area Studies, History, Library, Linguistics, Speech & Hearing, Communication
Arts & Sciences, Mathematics, Music & Musicology, Performing Arts
Production & Scholarship, Political Science, Law & Criminal Justice.
b.
Resolution on Americans with Disabilities Act:
Professor Kaplowitz presented the following resolution on behalf of the
Senate’s ADA Committee.
Resolution
to Assure True Faculty Representation on Campus ADA Committees
Resolved, that the UFS requests that the Chancellory direct
each college to have the faculty members in its 504/ADA Committee selected by
the campus’ faculty governance body or its equivalent.
Approved unanimously.
See Reports & Deliberations for full discussion.
c.
Update on ACT Testing: See
Reports & Deliberations.
There being no further business, the meeting
was adjourned at 8:20 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Bill Phipps
Executive Director
Subject to Senate Approval
REPORTS & DELIBERATIONS
OF THE TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIFTH PLENARY SESSION
OF THE UNIVERSITY FACULTY SENATE
OF THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK
January 30, 2001
a.
Chair: There was to be an appointment of a
president of Hunter College. The search
committee put forth four names. There was
some manipulation in the search committee as evidenced by some of the testimony. The Chancellor put forth the name, the Chairman
of the Board moved to alter that name, and the Trustees then voted as to who should be the
President of Hunter College. It was clear
from conversations, which were held during the last week, that the Trustees were under
extreme pressure from political folks, primarily the Mayor and the Governor. It was not necessarily direct; they have people
who do these things for them. Some of the
Trustees were eager recipients of this advice. Some
of the Trustees were very unhappy with it, but decided that they would have to go along
with it. All of the Trustees who were called,
except Michael Crimmins, who I dont think either the Mayor or the Governor has any
influence over, were in various ways threatened and intimidated. Some of them were courageous enough not to care. During this public session, Trustee Crimmins
publicly objected to the extraordinary political pressure that was placed on the members
of the Board.
I would like to read you the list of those Trustees who
did what their conscience told them was appropriate.
Student representative, Michael Anglin, Trustee Monsignor Crimmins, Trustee
Ron Marino, Trustee John Morning, Trustee Ken Cook, and the Vice Chair, Trustee Benno
Schmidt. The Vice Chair made a passionate
and rational argument as to why it was more advisable to appoint the candidate the
Chancellor recommended, than the one the Mayor wanted.
The major difficulty that some of us see, besides the
fact that Hunter may have problems, is with the candidate.
The candidate herself is very smart and personable, but with not an iota of
experience in education. This terrible method
of operating is clear. There are articles in
each of the papers today, most of which are reasonably accurate. There will be an article in the next issue of The
Chronicle. There is no shyness by the
news people in their writing. Im sure
that some of the people will talk to the reporters. The
problem is that there are several other searches going on.
There is one for City College. There
will shortly be one for Queens. It is clear
that the well has been poisoned. Sensible
people, I presume, will stay away from this venue for presidencies. On the other hand, as one of our wiser Trustees
explained, all presidential candidates are fungible, and all we have to do is pick up the
candidates who didnt get the presidency at Hunter and put them at the other
campuses, and it should work out very well.
Just one more item before the Chancellor gets here. The six names I read you and the Chancellor all
behaved very well for this. Some of the
people who voted against the Chancellor, in private, made statements that there is nothing
personal about this. It is just politics as
usual. The Chancellor cant feel great
about the lack of support. One of the
arguments that Schmidt used was that we owe it to the Chancellor to vote for who he
recommends.
I attended a meeting of the SUNY Senate last weekend in
New Paltz. The President of New Paltz will be
leaving soon. He is a good guy, and he is the
one who stood the burden of the attack by the Board of Trustees because of the Feminist
Symposium on the New Paltz campus. There was
a lengthy discussion about the SUNY budget. We
either lead or follow things that happen to SUNY. They
are now in the position of doing differential tuition for their professional schools. That is an important new step in the tuition game,
which we entered into in 1975. At the moment
they have been empowered, and therefore will probably charge higher tuition for medical
schools and law schools than for their other activities.
Therefore, as far as the faculty are concerned, this will also happen to
other programs which have not yet been determined. If
it doesnt happen this year, it will happen in years to come. They are terribly worried about driving out many
of their doctoral programs. If the tuition
goes up for some of their doctoral programs, they are no longer in the game because they
are not funded very well. Their fellowship
programs are miniscule. That is the news
from up North.
Professor Cooper (History, College of Staten Island)
What was the position of the SUNY faculty on the differential tuition? At one
point they were supportive. Have they changed
their mind? / Chair Sohmer
No, they are still essentially supportive, but worried. They are supportive because they think they should
do that. They are worried because they think
it will be a disaster for the doctoral programs, if it moves over to the doctoral
programs.
b. Chancellor: Tomorrow I am going to be in Albany at the
Joint Assembly Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee. I will be testifying about the Governors
Executive Budget and where we see our deficiencies, and what kinds of corrections and
considerations we need in order to proceed. The
approach I am going to take is something that I have said over and over again. It goes back to a planning document, the Master
Plan. It is the operative piece of
architecture that is a lens on our future. The
budget that we proposed and the Board approved was submitted to the Governor. It goes right through the Master Plan and sets
dollars associated with implementing the Master Plan.
It is a budget that will extend over a four-year period.
What we have
received from the Governors Executive Budget is approximately $21 million over and
beyond our current base budget. Relative to
last year, which was a blip up, this is a major blip up.
However, it is far from what we need to implement the Master Plan in the
absence of additional funding; this will be my testimony before the Joint Committee. I will lay out what our legislative plans are
going to be. The budget as proposed by the
Executive for the senior colleges of approximately $21 million is, in reality, only about
$9.1 million in additional money. I am not
trying to be confusing, but you are blending cost accounting and cash based accounting. You have to be a little careful in terms of how
you talk about the numbers so that you understand what they are. We received money last year from the Legislature
for full-time faculty. We didnt spend
all of the money we needed, because it was spent on a cash basis. This means, you spend when you need to pay the
salaries. So it is not as if you start the
fiscal year saying I need $5 million, and you spend it all now, and all of those dollars
are allocated. The presidents are given
their lines, and then they start allocating them to their divisions or departments, and
then people hire throughout the year, so you dont need all that money. All of the money was actually placed into our
operating budget base. Thats critically
important.
The second thing
that was very important in the budget the Governor gave was the cost of annualization. It is not just based on a cash basis, but we now
have the full annualized costs which are built into our budget. That is significant because we havent seen
that in awhile. In addition, Baruch College
is opening up a brand new facility. It is an
academic complex. It is about an 800,000
gross square foot building. In many ways it
is probably the equivalent of six buildings on a campus.
They are going to need approximately $6.3 million to pay the costs for
people to run that building. They have to pay
for custodians, plant tenders, electricians, etc. Also
built into this budget is money for fringe benefit costs and mandatory costs for
increments. All of that is placed into the
budget. What I am really referring to is new
programmatic dollars. When you net out
everything I have just said, we have a little over $9 million in true new programmatic
costs. What we will do is line out that $9.1
million and see where our deficiencies are. We
will go back to the Master Plan and see where our priorities are.
Our priority first
and foremost is hiring full-time faculty. We
will go to the Legislature and say what we have said for the past couple of years. We will point out that you cannot have a prominent
university without having a cohort of full-time faculty, well beyond the cohort of
full-time faculty that we have here in the University.
We have asked for about 300 lines this year.
If we allocate all of the $9 million for full-time faculty on a cash basis
we can hire a lot of faculty. We need to hire
faculty, but we need to do a lot of other things as well.
We will also revert to the Master Plan.
The Executive
Budget also proposes, as it did last year, statutory changes to authorize CUNY and SUNY to
establish campus based graduate and professional tuition rates. This is something that was pushed by SUNY. We are going to take a look at that. You have to be very careful during a budget
process, because we are certainly not going to interfere with what it is that we need. It is something that will give us some
flexibility.
On the community
college side, the State has proposed keeping the FTE support for community colleges at the
$2,250 level. We asked, like SUNY, for a $175
increase in base aid. It was not supported at
SUNY or CUNY. Chancellor King and I are going
to use this in tandem to see if we can get consideration.
It is going to be very high on our agenda.
The Legislature last year gave $2.8 million for new community college
faculty positions. The Governor took out $2.8
million and that included $2 million for faculty, $560,000 for childcare, and about
$190,000 for College Discovery. We know that
is the base we start from, and we are going to start building up as we get into the
legislative process.
I havent seen
what the financial plans over the past few years have looked like for the community
colleges. But for the first time that I am
aware of there is a very real addition of $5.5 million for faculty, and $5 million for
College Now. In the recent meeting with the
Mayor, I made it clear that we need dollars. We
talked about the faculty piece and a few other things.
That is where this is now. We
are actually seeing it in the financial plan. In
the financial plan we see money for full-time faculty and College Now. The City this year started discussions with us on
the PEG reduction of around $6 million. That
would have to be taken out of the community college budgets this particular year. When you annualize that cost, it would have been a
horrific hit on the community college side. We
petitioned the City and they reduced that $6 million down to $1.6 million. The Council said they would participate and
provide $600,000 toward that $1.6 million. We
are looking still at a PEG reduction for this year of $1 million for all of the community
colleges. That has still not been resolved.
If you look in the
financial plan, the PEG reductions do not look friendly. This
is a very opaque lens on what the future is going to be.
People are estimating a softening of the economy, which means less tax
revenues. You need to layer in the tax cuts. We are looking at substantial cuts, which is the
case across all agencies. The other issue
that is looming out there is energy costs, which have risen in recent months. We have had a very cold early January, and a very
cold December. That has played havoc, not
only in the northeast but around the world, on both natural gas and oil prices. We are concerned on the energy price side, but not
so much for the City. The City actually built
in a better lens on what costs are going to be. The
State was a little less accurate in what the anticipated rises would be. We are concerned about that, and we are going to
have to look at it very closely. The other
thing that the Mayor did in this financial plan is to take the Merit Scholarship Program
out again. This is a Peter Vallone program
that has been very much a staple.
The last thing that
I will mention is that we are in the 30-day amendment period to the Governors
budget. There are three areas where we have
asked for restoration. $2.7 million
dollars was pulled out of the SEEK Program. I
expect that that money will be put back in. There
was a reduction of about $1.4 million in childcare money that was also a Legislative
add-on to the Governors budget. That
was also pulled out of our base. Lastly, the
Queens College Center for Worker Education money, which was a little under $400,000, was
taken out. There will be an effort to get
that money back in. This gives you a sense of
where we are, and the things that I am very much focused on right now. We have a full agenda. I am going to need the active support of this
body. This is a year when we really ought to
get out there in a very significant coordinated way, to see that this budget is finally
put to bed in a way thats going to be helpful, and not hurtful to this University.
Ive already
met with the leadership in the Assembly and with the leadership in the Senate. Ive met with a number of the senators on the
Republican side in New York. We are going to
continue with borough-wide meetings with legislators.
We are going to have our CUNY Legislative Action Council making lots of
efforts. We are going to have a Board meeting
in Albany on March 12-13. We will go with the
full Board and meet with the members of the Assembly and the Senate. For the first time, we will be coordinating
certain things with SUNY. Part of the problem
that we have had with full-time faculty is that SUNY has never asked for full-time
faculty. If we are asking alone, it is very
hard to get this kind of consideration. We
are going to start seeing some of that moving ahead.
We are going to see some coordination on base aid for community colleges. We are going to see coordination on academic
technology and economic development.
Economic
development was really very much a corner piece of the Governors Executive Budget. Executive Vice Chancellor Louise Mirrer, Cathy
Wolde, the new President of the New York City Partnership, will be in Albany next week. Louise has really taken the lead in the University
on the whole issue of how this University can participate in a lot of money that is out
there under the rubric of economic development. Whether
it is NYSTAR, or the NY State Economic Development Corporation, there is a lot of money. I call it off-balance sheet money. It is parked in these agencies, and weve got
to get there and pluck some of it. Louise
was very successful with our new Software Institute in getting a NYSTAR grant with our
efforts in photonics. We got the only two
grants in New York City. That is a statement
that we are really moving ahead. We have to
think in different ways. Ive said this
to the presidents over and over again. I need
to say this to the faculty as well. We cannot
only rely, as a one asset institution, on either the City side or on the State side. We really have to be out there looking for ways to
find revenue streams that will support the operating budgets on our campuses. I believe that we are going to be very successful
this year on the federal level.
In two weeks I will
be going to Washington, D.C. to meet with Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer. I will be accompanied by Harold Levy and Randy
Weingarten. We will discuss the whole notion
of a teacher empowerment zone. This is an
area that we think will have great impact on the way that we prepare teachers for the
schools. Were going to be looking for
some big money. We started this process this
year, and we got about $1.2 million to support it. We
are going to be doing a lot more. Under
Louises direction, with Dean John Mogulescu, weve just gotten about $12
million from the Human Resource Administration to do a lot of training. Youve heard me talk about presidents that we
hire, and presidents that are here now, who really have to spend a lot of time outside the
campus doing what they can to raise money. They
must bring those dollars back to cover the deficiencies in our budget. We are just taking very different approaches than
have been taken before around the University. I
suspect that if we pull this together and do it right, and really bring this University
into the mainstream, we will see growth in our operating budgets. Let me stop here.
I will be happy to take any questions on any issues. Questions can also be directed to Louise Mirrer or
Rick Schaffer.
Chair Sohmer
One bit of information that I dont think the Chancellor yet knows, which I
learned upstate over the weekend -- somebody from the Governance Office said that the
energy problem is going to be a supplemental budget item.
Everybody is supporting it, which should take part of the curse off that
element.
Professor
Levine (Engineering Science and Physics, College of Staten Island) Chancellor
Goldstein, you had proposed to the Board of Trustees a Budget Request that called for
approximately $100 million in new money. The
Board of Trustees approved this Request. I am
very pleased that you are going up to Albany to argue for your Request. Do you have the support of the Board of Trustees?
Since they are such obedient political figures, shouldnt there be some quid pro quo?
/ Chancellor Goldstein They approved the Budget Request. / Professor Levine
Are they accompanying you to Albany to fight for this? / Chancellor
Goldstein I mentioned that we are having a Board visit to Albany on March 12th-13th.
Professor
Crain (Psychology, City College) Congratulations on your principled
recommendation with respect to Hunter College. Since
we get one question, I will say the question that I wont ask, which has to do with
the ridiculously exorbitant tuition and suffering our community college students go
through. That should be part of the Budget
Request. On September 27, 1999, the Board
passed a resolution. Initially the Mayors
Office said that they wouldnt even fund the City Budget unless they passed this
resolution. He was then taken to court over
that, and the judge said that he cant hold a budget hostage. The Board approved this resolution anyway. The resolution states, be it resolved that
all colleges shall use common objective tests reflecting national norms and other
assessments as deemed necessary, to determine when students who have been placed in
remedial course work qualify for exit from remediation. It goes on and has an explanation about how
students may need more advanced preparation. Couldnt
this be read in a way that says that colleges have a right to exercise best practices with
respect to placement, and use multiple measures, such as portfolios, course grades,
and samples of a students work. It
says, colleges should use a common objective test, and other assessments as deemed
necessary. Do we have that opening?
/
Chancellor Goldstein Let me respond very
quickly. When I came in as Chancellor in
September of 1999, I asked Louise Mirrer very directly, what is the status of all of our
tests? I know a little about the analytical
side of it, but not much about tests in general. She
indicated that we really needed to do something dramatic about the test that we had in
place. I think everybody in this room knows
that the tests were highly compromised. It
was very difficult for anybody who knew anything about tests and measurements to say that
the tests that were in place were able to address very basic challenges of reliability and
predictability. We replaced those tests with
nationally normed tests. The tests that we
are using now are ACT tests, along with a home-grown mathematics test. Thats where we are now. With respect to how students are able to get into
baccalaureate programs, this was in part a result of your pleading in this body and other
bodies. We said that there would be
committees of faculty and others on each of our campuses that would actually use those
kinds of determinants for students who we felt had value, but were not really shown to
have that value through these standardized tests. I
think it worked very effectively. It worked
on the City College campus, and it has worked well on other campuses. We will continue to do this. I dont think one test, unto itself, is the
best way to assess a student.
Professor
Bell (Educational Services, Brooklyn College) Last Tuesday at the Executive
Committee I asked you a question about the 30-day amendment period. You said that we werent going to pursue
items during the 30-day amendment period because there didnt seem to be any errors
in the budget. This evening you said that we
were going to pursue the same things that I was thinking about that day, in terms of SEEK,
childcare, and Worker Education. What has
changed your opinion and how can we support it? / Chancellor Goldstein
Childcare, SEEK, and the Queens College Worker Education Program have been staples of this
University for a very long time. Where we
will get consideration will be during the Legislative session. / Professor Bell
I just think that it is a distraction during the budget process, if we are spending
so much time restoring the money. If it could
be restored earlier, that would be less of a distraction. / Chancellor Goldstein
It would be, but life at the City University is very distracting.
Professor
Friedman (Developmental Skills, Borough of Manhattan Community College) I
have a question about some of the figures you mentioned.
There was a $1 million PEG reduction for the community colleges. I dont know if I caught this: you said that
there is a big grant of $12 million, which is going to be used for training. You didnt say teaching, you didnt say
educating, you said training. Maybe it is
just a semantic or linguistic thing with me. What
is that money for? Is that continuing education? / Chancellor Goldstein
It is basically continuing education. These
are not degree programs. This is a specific
kind of training needed by personnel connected with HRA.
What we are trying to do is to build these more substantive bridges to other
organizations that will give value to the University.
This is something that will add great benefit to the University. However, it does not reflect on the actual
academic programs that lead to a degree. / Professor Friedman What about
using it for remediation purposes or ESL? / Chancellor Goldstein Why I
think this is important is that it builds bridges from the University to areas where there
are people who may not be reflecting on CUNY. The
degree to which we can engage them, get them excited about learning, developing skills,
etc., is a good investment. I think it is a
good investment to see if we can get these students as degree students. Oftentimes it happens. I think it is a good way to build the Universitys
presence in the City.
Professor OMalley
(English, Kingsborough Community College) I wanted to ask you about part-time
TAP. It was my understanding that last year
there were three pilot programs for students using part-time TAP. The idea was to see if we could establish if it
financially made sense, because students would complete more credits, not having to take
the required 12 credits. / Chancellor Goldstein Louise, do you know
anything about that? / Vice Chancellor Mirrer As far as we are concerned, the pilot
will be continued until next year. There
werent as many participants as we had anticipated.
Were monitoring the progress of those students. / Professor OMalley
How many colleges are participating? / Vice Chancellor Mirrer
I will provide you with all of the data. The
program is limited to upper division students. The
population controls include those students who have already demonstrated that they are
committed to moving forward. / Professor OMalley How many students?
/ Vice Chancellor Mirrer There are a few hundred students in the pilot. I cant remember the exact figure, but I have
all of the data, and I will give it to you.
Professor Pam
(English, Hostos Community College) I have a question which may just be
local, as opposed to University-wide. One of
the main concerns we have at Hostos is trying to help our students meet our basic academic
standards, and to pass the test. We are doing
this not only through our classroom instruction, but through our Tutoring Center. We have not had anything like a functioning
Tutoring Center for most of the 15 years that I have been at Hostos. There may have been only one or two years where I
thought that we had enough tutors in the Tutoring Center.
When we raised this issue at the Faculty Senate, the answer we have received
for the past two years has been, Well, we had a grant, the grant ran out, we applied
for another grant and we didnt get it. I
said, I dont understand why tutoring is something funded out of grants. I thought that it was part of a basic educational
plan. Shouldnt there be a certain
sum that comes out of a students tuition that goes to support services of this sort?
With all of these tests, we have to work very hard trying to get students to pass the
tests. Without tutoring and that kind of
support it is really unfair. /
Chancellor Goldstein There are dollars
for academic support services, which were built into our base, in an amount of about $7.1
million. The dollars were allocated to the
campuses. Is it enough? No. It is supplemented in a variety of ways depending
upon what college we are talking about. I
remember when I was at Baruch, we raised a lot of money, and we put it into tutoring
centers. That helped in a dramatic way. That is also the case at Hunter, Brooklyn, and at
other campuses as well. I dont know the
specific local situation at Hostos. I know
that we do supply Hostos with academic support service money through the dollars we
received in our budget. It may not be
sufficient for your needs. It is something
that we need to take a look at. /
Professor Pam The amount of money that used to be
put into the English Department budget, which was earmarked tutoring, was all
we ever had in the budget. That amount is
one-fourth what it was 5-6 years ago. / Chancellor Goldstein I think at
Hostos -- because of the dramatic reduction in student base, which is reflected in tuition
dollars -- there is less money. This is what
you are really seeing the result of. What we
need to do is get more students at Hostos. / Professor Pam We are working
very hard to do that, but we like to pass the ones we have. / Chancellor
Goldstein I agree, and I hope you keep the ones you have, too.
Professor
Baumrin (Philosophy, The Graduate Center) It is very discouraging, as you
undoubtedly revealed yourself, after a considerable amount of effort to select a
candidate, to be turned down. You are not the
only one in those shoes. I would appreciate
it if you could address the issue to the larger University community. Faculty members serve on search committees for
presidents, for senior administrators at the Central Office, and also for administrators
at the campuses. To have those
recommendations, after a considerable amount of effort, turned down, sits very badly.
/
Chancellor Goldstein I assume that you
are referring to the most recent Hunter situation. I
dont think anybody was happy with what happened at Hunter. I am not talking about who was ultimately
appointed. That is almost a side-bar issue. The whole process itself was one that all of us
felt was not an optimal process. Yes,
hundreds of hours of people time and a lot of money was spent on these searches. We hire top executive recruiters, we pay travel
expenses, people are put up at hotels, there are dinners, and a whole variety of things. This particular search, I think, was really unique
in recent years. In my administration, we
have had five presidents appointed. I dont
think that this is a good example of how searches have traditionally run.
We have two very high profile searches, one at
City going on now, and one that I am going to announce very soon at Queens College. We are going to have other searches in the next
2-3 years. The thing that I am deeply
concerned about is the public view that a search is not a legitimate activity at City
University. That will cause a chilling effect
throughout higher education. It will be
important to us in our ability to attract the most able people. At this search, we attracted a very good pool of
people. I think that Jennifer Raab is going
to need a lot of help from the administration, faculty, and others. I think she is a very fine person. She is a very bright woman and very well educated. At this particular point, we do have a president,
and we really have to show that president support. Ultimately
the thing that we should be reflecting on is not so much the president, but the students,
the life of learning on that campus, and the way in which there is a vitality and
excitement about what that institution means in this University. We have to look forward, and that is what I am
going to be doing.
Professor Manassah (Electrical Engineering,
City College) We talked a little bit last time about what the role is of the
flagship programs that we keep hearing about. Since
that time I went and did a little homework. I
picked up the catalog, which to my understanding is to a great extent a contract between
the University and the entering student. I
looked with respect to the past five years. I
looked at all of the courses that have been offered.
I chose at random five programs with which I am familiar within the field of
engineering. In none of those programs have
we fulfilled our obligation. Many core
courses that should have been offered, so that students who enter these programs can
graduate, were not offered. This occurred
even in some of those areas where we are talking about flagship. I understand that there are some financial
constraints, and all kinds of other reasons. We
commit ourselves to certain programs, advertise them, include them in our catalog, and
recruit students, but dont offer the courses. I
remember that you said to one of my colleagues, get more students. The students I am referring to are in Masters
programs. You can get more students when
students believe when they join the program that within a reasonable amount of time, for
example a two-year cycle, the core courses in those degrees will be offered. They are not being offered. I will be very happy to supply the academic
department with evidence to that. Last time
we agreed on the same topic, that if we want to have a flagship program, you have to have
an educational program that goes with it. Having
done my homework, I come back here to tell you that it hasnt. /
Chancellor Goldstein I would agree with
you. It is not just at City College in
Engineering. We are a very poorly funded
University. That is something that needs to
be said over and over again. The fact is we
lose students to other universities, in part, because students are not able to make
satisfactory progress toward their degrees. This
occurs because students are not able to get the courses they need. It is a ubiquitous problem that is not going to be
resolved until we get better funding for this University.
That is something that all of us have to be loud and clear about. We have to make sure that these resources are
delivered. That is the foundation. Thinking about the University as an integrated
University says to me that when you go to City College to take a course, and City College
does not give that course, and you need that course to graduate, the covenant that we
ought to strike is that someplace in the University that course is going to be made
available to you in a reasonable amount of time. I
dont think that is an unreasonable kind of thing for us to force upon ourselves. Nor do I think that it is an unreasonable thing
for us to deliver. Unless we start thinking
about it in this way, all other things remaining equal, this problem is never going to go
away. The notion of flagship is embedded in
this notion of sharing resources.
Professor
Cooper (History, College of Staten Island) Al Levine at the outset of the
question period pointed out that about $100 million was requested by you and the Board for
next year. You report that the Governor is
offering $9 million. / Chancellor Goldstein No, its about $20
million. / Professor Cooper There is a gap.
What is a reasonable number for those of us who will come after you tomorrow
on the speaker list, when we are asked by Ed Sullivan, or Denny Farrell, What do you
need? What is a reasonable number to
answer? / Chancellor Goldstein I think the answer is that the University
has a planning document, and the cost of fully implementing that planning document is what
you see in the budget message. The Governor
approved this, the Board approved this, everybody approved this planning document. The planning document really says, in 2001 we are
here, in 2002-2003 we want to get here. I
know that we are not going to get all of it. We
are going to have to pare down some of the areas of the Master Plan. We are going to need a lot more money than what
the Governor has proposed. / Professor
Cooper Somebody is going to ask us for a ballpark number, even off the record.
/ Chancellor Goldstein Just as a friendly piece of advice, I really think we have
to have the same voice here. The number is
the number in the budget message. I wouldnt
say, well, if you can give us another $5 million we will be happy and leave you alone. Or if you give us another $15 million we will be
happy. I think what you need to say is for
the first time in this University the budget message was directly aligned with the Master
Plan. We have differences in this room about
what is within that Master Plan. However, I
think all of us agree that the front of that Master Plan is about full-time faculty. We front-loaded it with full-time faculty this
year. I think the number was 300; we have to
stick with that number. I wouldnt start
negotiating numbers down with people, because they will hear a number and thats what
you will get.
IV. New Business.
- Action
Agenda from Research Committee:
Professor Kahan
(Political Science, Brooklyn College) This is information and an action agenda from
the Research Committee, for which I am the liaison from the Executive Committee. There is a document out on the table dated July
14, 2000. It discusses the PSC-CUNY research
award funds. The PSC has not put an increase
in PSC-CUNY funds on their list of contractual demands.
The Research Committee feels that we should try to make the argument for
this to be added to the list of demands in our current contract negotiations. The tables in this document tell us the story. Since 1988 inflation has eroded the PSC-CUNY fund
by about 35% in actual money that is available. If
this years allotment of a little bit over $3 million had kept up with inflation
since 1988, it would be a bit over $4 million today.
That would be stasis with 1988. We
believe it should be more than that. We have
a couple of arguments in favor of it that we are trying to mount and communicate to the
PSC leadership.
First, we
are finally recruiting new faculty in measurable numbers.
The availability of research grants is a very important amenity that we are
trying to offer them. Other universities in
our own region give, along with the appointment, substantial research money to most new
faculty. Secondly, we have to recognize the
fact that adjuncts have largely been sheltered from access to PSC-CUNY grants. One of the proposals that we are also suggesting
to the PSC union leadership is that for part-time faculty who have put in a certain amount
of time, there will be a set-aside for those part-time people to get research grants. This is so that they can build a record, do some
research, be more fully participatory in University life, and mount their own intellectual
resume so they can compete for full-time jobs. We
think that this is an important item, and it should not be ignored in the contract
negotiations. Research and research grants
are essential for the intellectual life of the University.
We are going to, as gently as we can, advocate to the PSC leadership that
this item be added to the list of negotiable items in this current contract negotiation.
Professor
McCall (English, Baruch College) I have the contract demands and proposals with me. Number 155 says, The PSC-CUNY funds shall be
substantially increased. Awards may be used
for two courses of release time for community college faculty, and one course release for
senior college faculty.
Professor
Levine (Engineering Science and Physics, College of Staten Island) Id
like to make a comment relating to the report of the Research Committee on the PSC-CUNY
grants. I support their proposal that the
amount be increased. However, I would like to
report to this body that the University Faculty Senate Budget Advisory Committee received
a proposal from Stefan Baumrin relating to providing money in the budget for Chancellors
Fellows, which would provide a full-year of research support for a certain number of
un-tenured faculty, so that they could develop a serious research program during their
probationary period. This is separate from
the PSC-CUNY. The Chancellor actually liked
the proposal, but in the context of the budget cuts, it is doubtful whether this proposal
will survive. I believe that we should fight
for this, too. Unfortunately the PSC-CUNY,
even with the recommendation for the increase, does not provide adequate support to a
junior faculty member to develop a serious research program.
Chair Sohmer Could your committee bring
it back to the floor of this body for endorsement?
b. Resolution
on Americans with Disabilities Act
Professor Kaplowitz (English, John Jay College)
This is the document that was outside. It
is a one-sentence resolution. This is being
proposed by the Executive Committee at the request of the University Faculty Senate
Committee on Disability Issues. Since the
Executive Committee supports this, we are presenting it to the body. It says,
Resolved that the University Faculty Senate
requests that the Chancellery direct each college to have the faculty members on its 504
Americans with
Disabilities
Act Committee selected by the campus faculty governance body, or its equivalent.
The co-chairs of the committee are Sandra Neis and Don Davidson, who
are here. The 504 ADA Committee on each
campus comprises many people, the facility officer, deans, students, staff, HEOs, and
faculty. The ones who usually have the
ability to be most vocal and active about issues of access for students, faculty, staff,
and visitors are tenured faculty. The
faculty who tend to be appointed to the ADA 504 committees on the campuses, however, are
the most vulnerable faculty, the most junior, least vocal, or most out of the loop. If per chance some very vigorous member of the
faculty is appointed, they get knocked off the next year.
We are proposing that the
faculty members on each campus committee be selected by the appropriate faculty governance
body, or its equivalent, not any of the other members.
They wont be selected by the chair, facility staff, or by the
students. At all of the campuses except two,
the ADA 504 director, who is the chair of the committee, is someone who serves at the
pleasure of the president. Therefore the
chair is not always free to appoint faculty who are the most appropriate. The two exceptions are Don Davidson and Tamara
Green, who is the Chair of the Hunter College Committee.
We present this for your action and approval.
Chair Sohmer
Is there a second? Is there any discussion? All
of those in favor of calling the question please say aye. All those against?
The question is now called, would you please signify support by saying
aye. Against? Any abstentions? It is unanimous.
Professor
Kaplowitz Thank you on behalf of the committee, some of whose members are here. They waited to here this, so thank you.
c. Update
on ACT Testing
Professor Beaky
(English, LaGuardia Community College) I just wanted to give some information on
the December administration of the ACT Reading and Writing Tests. There were two multiple choice tests, Asset
Reading and Asset Writing. The latter
didnt count this time, but it will. They
also took the ACT Essay Test, which did count.
This is
the information we have from CUNY: 9,700
students took the Essay Test, and 6,370 took the Reading Test. Placement data for students entering in Spring
2001 are not available, since all of that will continue at least through February. On the ACT Essay Test, the passing rate CUNY-wide
was 47.5%. These are preliminary figures. These are the students who took it in December as
an exit exam from remediation. On the Asset
Reading Test, when the passing score was 40, approximately 25% of those students passed. What happened was that they lowered the score from
40 to 36. I dont have anything here now
about how many students passed under a score of 36. The
change was made during this month in January while students had already been told that
they didnt pass. Some of them were
registered for special expresses, and some of the students couldnt take classes --
for example, at LaGuardia we have a six-week session where students can take classes. Several students were unable to take classes
because they were told they had failed, but now they have been told that they passed and
can go into English 101. There is a lot of
confusion. I know that my chairperson has had
to change her instructions to my department since September maybe three or four times on
all sorts of things.
Why were
the Asset Reading Test scores so low? These are some of the reasons that were given. The test is nationally-normed on Midwestern,
middle class, community college students. The
fact that the test is timed is a huge factor. Also,
the questions are exclusively literal -- sometimes if you are educated and know how to
take these, they actually tell you not to read the passages. Instead you are to look at the questions, and then
skim for the actual answer. Our students may
not have known that. They may have wasted
time actually reading the passage. After all,
this is a Reading Asset Test! The first of
the three selections was actually the most difficult -- not the best way to administer a
test. It is multiple choice, and necessitates
a strategy to pass. You may not be up on it
if you never took ACT or SAT prep classes. The
Chancellor mentioned the lack of reliability and validity for the tests we used to have,
the C-WAT and the C-RAT. The reliability and
the validity of the ACT are no better than for the tests we had before.
[Unidentified
Speaker] Two questions, what was the consequence of lowering the score from 40 to
36? / Chair Sohmer We dont know. / Professor Beaky We also
dont know what the enrollments are for the spring for English 101. We do know that the projected enrollments, and
some of the actual enrollments for Composition 101, were low, and that was the reason the
Reading score was lowered. Students were not
getting into Composition 101, and those classes were not filling up. I dont have facts and figures on specific
campuses, but that was the motivation for lowering the score. / [Unidentified Speaker]
The other part of the question is, could you put these passing rates in the
context of previous passing rates? How do
they compare, this 47.5% and 45%? / Professor Beaky There is a lot of
anecdotal information. Some people feel that
these passing rates are lower, and some people feel that they are higher. One point that I would make is that it doesnt
matter -- the tests are still not valid and reliable.
I dont know whether or not we have concrete information about that. I do know that they think that the Writing Asset
Test passing rates were similar to the Writing Asset Test passing rates on the pilot that
took place during the spring and the summer.
[Unidentified
Speaker] I was under the impression that there was no unique passing grade
for the ACT. I thought that the grade of 40
was established by a pilot study that involved an apparently small number of self-selected
students. Is it possible that the pilot study
was not representative of the CUNY student body as a whole, and therefore a grade of 40
was meaningless? / [2nd Unidentified Speaker] They used
that pilot for standards setting and they did set a passing score with the pilot group.
Professor Beaky - In the pilot, about 25% also
passed. Actually the results of the pilot are
quite similar to those of the actual test. Students
took the Writing Asset multiple-choice editing test, but it is not going to count yet. However, I was told that on February 1st
there will be a meeting of the Advisory Group. That
part of the Asset is going to count and be given a weight.
The Advisory Group will be deciding or recommending how much weight that
multiple choice test should be given, and there will be three separate scores. Students will get a Reading Asset score, a Writing
Asset score, and an Essay score. Ive
said many times that I think phase two is data collection.
I think they are going to say that the ACT Essay and the Asset multiple
choice tests are completely correlated, so we dont really need the Essay -- we can
just go to the multiple choice. When I
brought this up I was told that this wont happen.
However, I think that it is a real threat.
They will be testing an ESL Compass multiple-choice test. It will be an un-timed instrument given in the
Spring.
[Unidentified Speaker off-microphone: Question about students at some campuses being
allowed to take courses like Sociology before passing skills tests.]
Professor
Beaky If you are asking me, this is my idea. I
dont represent any of this. Can we use
the word pre-requisites? I think
that there is a real issue there. I dont
have a problem with that. I dont think
that the students should be able to take Sociology without being able to read or write at
a college level. I dont think that that
is defensible, but we wouldnt have anyone in our classes. Chair Sohmer At many campuses the first
writing course is a pre-requisite to enter a course like Sociology 101. Schools are unique, and this may be different from
campus to campus.
Professor
Cooper (History, College of Staten Island) Is there some way that we can ask
Vice Chancellor Mirrers Office for some kind of study to follow the students who
have been admitted to regular classes? / Chair Sohmer That has been
asked. Theoretically they are doing it. / Professor
Cooper Can we get a clue as to what happens to them? / Chair Sohmer
Their trajectory has been asked for.
Professor
Crain (Psychology, City College) As for the timing, how many of us read with
a clock while doing our scholarly work? Do we
give ourselves only two minutes to read a passage and think about it? It is very artificial. Students of color are known to do significantly
better when you take off the time limit. Secondly,
the National Council of Teachers of English strongly recommends that you never make any
decision on the basis of a single test with respect to writing. You always should use other assessments when they
are available. It is unfair. It is bad pedagogy. Al Levine is right.
You cant say what grade level this test is. I looked at the technical manual. The ACT asks you to set your own level in terms of
where you are going to maximize your success. The
ACT manual says that you should try different levels to reduce your error. That is the whole game. You try not to misplace
students. You have to do the kind of validity
and predictability testing that should be done before you bring in the test. They have no business doing this yet.
Professor
McCall (English, Baruch College) I just wanted to say that the Chancellor
invited us to participate in the Spring to do some of the lobbying in Albany. There are going to be many opportunities for you
to help CUNY survive. We have a steady-state
budget, which means that we are not being funded as a university. When the opportunity arises for you to come with
us to Albany, please come.
Professor
Manassah (Electrical Engineering, City College) Last time I had asked if it
was possible for the Vice Chancellor of Academic Affairs to stay after the Chancellor
leaves, so that some questions about academic matters could be addressed. If this is not possible, I would really like to
see a forum where I could see some of our questions answered about these things. I came today with a list of 5-6 questions, which
are a matter of life and death for us. I
asked one question, but I still have 5 more. I
dont know where the forum is where I can ask these questions. If it is not possible to have it within the
meetings, we should have some other forum where these questions can be asked. /
Chair Sohmer Lets start with the questions being addressed to me, and I will
ask them and get at least written responses. / Professor Manassah Would it
be possible that she stays after the Chancellor leaves? / Chair Sohmer I
will try. She frequently does, but I will try to say it specifically.